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Post by shep on Apr 18, 2020 8:59:19 GMT -9
Might be, it was in my "Inspirations & Resources" folder, the filename is TCanal or something in that direction...
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Post by Vermin King on Apr 18, 2020 10:48:53 GMT -9
That looks like a Fat Dragon tile. I am reasonably certain you are correct
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Post by shep on Apr 23, 2020 21:24:28 GMT -9
I totally forgot that Assassin's Creed 2 is set in Renaissance Italy, especially Venice. I found videos on Youtube of someone who made an "AC2 pilgramage" through Europe. His Venice video gives some extremely good views of La Serenissima, mostly with only few tourists (which is quite a feat regarding how many people visit Venice every day)... www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_EpzZSBWDI
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Post by Vermin King on Apr 24, 2020 6:39:42 GMT -9
I didn't notice in the clip. In it, I did not see the west end of the Piazza. Is the church of San Geminiano on the west end? That church used to sit across the stream from the basilica before they built the piazzas. Torn down and rebuilt at the west end with the two buildings to the sides closing the piazza. Napoleon's son tore it down to build a palace...
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Post by Vermin King on Apr 30, 2020 5:36:01 GMT -9
I was looking for ornate antique venetian vessels to get the tank for the warhorse and spotted this, an 18th century print of what the Piazetta area looked like before they filled it in (between the ducal palace and biblioteque) I'm going to have to go back and look for the date of when that happened
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Post by Vermin King on May 19, 2020 9:44:29 GMT -9
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Post by shep on May 19, 2020 11:40:54 GMT -9
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Post by Vermin King on May 19, 2020 12:42:57 GMT -9
I still plan on modifying that vintage Felucca into a Venetian Polacca. I am sure that they are the same type of ship, but slightly different and from a different geography (North Africa) and language I don't think a gamer necessarily needs all the roundness that a ship modeler would desire. I think the basic Felucca could be converted fairly easily to a waterline model. Frankly, I think it looks more like the ships seen in paintings than the galleons like that one. Or is it a carrack? I know they preferred lateen sails, but would carry rigs for square sails for rough water and weather. They definitely would have been decked out like that if they were shipping pepper to London or Paris I am almost thinking that the work boats of the canal and bacino would be more important than ships, though. Yes, there were lots of traditional gondolas, but there is also the Gondola da Traghetto, more like a gondola bus where common people stand during their trips and they require two oarsmen I think that some of the work boats in the paintings are Ràscona, which would either be rowed or sailed. I'm getting a hankering to design a boat EDIT -- This painting has a few of the other boats In the bottom left is a boat that I suspect is a transportation boat, but not for the public. Just to the north of it is a work boat with two huge tubs in it. Fish maybe? Since the cargo is already emptied, this is just a guess. The larger sailboat to the east is what I think is supposed to be a Ràscona because it can be sailed or rowed and has a broad area for cargo. There's another one of those with the mast down up closer to the bridge on the east side, and another version of one may be the bow coming up from the bottom of the painting. At the bottom right is a Gondola da Traghetto, probably. So many types of boats, and I sure don't see a lot of paper models of them BTW, notice how each of the gondolas has a felse, the removable cabins
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Post by shep on May 19, 2020 13:49:02 GMT -9
I still plan on modifying that vintage Felucca into a Venetian Polacca. I am sure that they are the same type of ship, but slightly different and from a different geography (North Africa) and language I don't think a gamer necessarily needs all the roundness that a ship modeler would desire. I think the basic Felucca could be converted fairly easily to a waterline model. Frankly, I think it looks more like the ships seen in paintings than the galleons like that one. Or is it a carrack? I know they preferred lateen sails, but would carry rigs for square sails for rough water and weather. They definitely would have been decked out like that if they were shipping pepper to London or Paris I think the belly of the Polacca is a little bit wider and rounder than that of the Felucca, but regarding everything else, I'm totally with you. With the sails, I think they really preferred to mix lateen and square sails, especially with a huge triangle sail at the slightly leaned forward first mast to catch as much wind as possible when sailing with the breeze. Regular rigging, on the other hand will have made them able to sail against the wind, so with both kind of sails, they'd be equipped for all possible wind-situations they might encounter. With the Venetians being such efficient merchants and sailors, this kind of logic would make perfect sense, wouldn't it? I could be wrong, though, it's just what I would guess from the pictures and models I've seen...
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Post by Zephalo on May 23, 2020 3:37:18 GMT -9
What about these two ships: Not exactly what you are looking for, but they fit into the time and are much cheaper than the one that shep postet. Both are made by the polish company WAK: Trabaccol SaettiaThe scale is 1:100, but a bit of rescaling would fix that. Greetings, Zephalo
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Post by shep on May 24, 2020 1:35:18 GMT -9
What about these two ships: Not exactly what you are looking for, but they fit into the time and are much cheaper than the one that shep postet. Both are made by the polish company WAK: Trabaccol SaettiaThe scale is 1:100, but a bit of rescaling would fix that. Greetings, Zephalo Those look great! The price difference between these ships and the one I posted is that these (if I understand correctly) are papercraft models, while the one I posted is a wooden model...
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Post by Zephalo on May 24, 2020 4:48:24 GMT -9
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Post by Vermin King on May 25, 2020 8:36:34 GMT -9
I spent last night and a part of the morning looking at boats, and Afet posted once about a 'Galera Espanola'. I know that Spain commissioned a lot of boats from Venice, and this one has all the benchmarks as being one of them.
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Post by shep on May 25, 2020 15:08:42 GMT -9
I spent last night and a part of the morning looking at boats, and Afet posted once about a 'Galera Espanola'. I know that Spain commissioned a lot of boats from Venice, and this one has all the benchmarks as being one of them. Is there a kit for this one?
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Post by Vermin King on May 25, 2020 15:15:17 GMT -9
Not that I am aware of. afet posted this in one of Dave's threads.
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Post by Zephalo on May 26, 2020 5:27:09 GMT -9
I spent last night and a part of the morning looking at boats, and Afet posted once about a 'Galera Espanola'. I know that Spain commissioned a lot of boats from Venice, and this one has all the benchmarks as being one of them. Is there a kit for this one? I found a scratch build model : Galeazza Veneziana Ende XVII. J.h.In the text the author mentioned some books with plans of the ship type. I found something else that might be of interest if you are looking for some more scenes/sets/settings: Some buildings/dioramas in Venice in 1757 Venice in 1757Venice in 1757 second setThe scale is quite small, but the textures look interesting enough that photoshoping might be worth it. Greetings, Zephalo
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Post by Vermin King on Jun 28, 2020 11:08:34 GMT -9
shep, have you gotten any games in?
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Post by shep on Jun 28, 2020 12:39:59 GMT -9
shep, have you gotten any games in? I printed my AI-deck for solo games, but had no time to build the cards, so far. My wife and I will play the next two or three intro scenarios this coming week (now that Ms. teacher is in summer vacation ). However, meanwhile I got a large packet from TTCombat with several more minis... Black Spectre Morgraur Sea Serpent Rabble Rousers City Guard Rialto Assassin Black Lamp Plague Doctor All these resin minis are waiting to be cleaned, assembled, and painted...
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Post by Vermin King on Jun 28, 2020 13:15:31 GMT -9
Very nice. When do you need the boat. I have it printed and scored, but got sidetracked on the Jake and the Never Land Pirates project
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Post by shep on Jun 28, 2020 21:47:10 GMT -9
Very nice. When do you need the boat. I have it printed and scored, but got sidetracked on the Jake and the Never Land Pirates project No worries, the boat is for a scenario of my own design, but till we get there, a lot of water will flow down the Rhine (as we say here in Cologne). The Carnevale Starter Set has six intro scenarios and 35 regular scenarios in seven campaigns. You see, should we play all the given material first, there will be loads of time till the boat is really needed. However, it makes a great scenery piece on some of the maps. Basically, it could be used as a floating "building" to fight on, run across, jump from, etc. I'm also working on a RPG based on the Carnevale setting and mechanics, and will include my own scenario into the intro adventure. So, once I get there, a link to the boat that I can put into the text would be great. However, this will also take some time... Btw., I now have enough minis and dice, that up to 5 people could play in the same game on a 3 x 3 ft. table. However, right now, only 3 factions could be fielded: the Guild (craftsmen, thieves, lust workers), the Patricians (Venetian nobles and their staff), and the Rashaar (cthulhoid sea monsters).
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Post by shep on Aug 11, 2020 13:52:12 GMT -9
Making progress on the modular Venetian building. I now have the walls of the groundfloor, and for upper floors. I have the walls (haha) of the sotoprotego. I still need varying floors for everything, a terrace top for the sotoprotego, an outer staircase wit landing platform, balconies, railings, walls and everything for a short floor, a terrace garden for the house, the roofs, and, of course, the stucco connectors, so everything can be put on top of each other...
Why doesn't it feel like progress, anymore...?
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 11, 2020 14:37:39 GMT -9
See the Rialto Bridge thread ...
And now my certifications that are required by 9/15 are now due by 8/22 ...
BTW, on the one Venice site you posted, I found a phrase that I did a search on. In the search, I hit a site that had a picture of the freight version of the gondola ( basically wider and shorter end platforms ), and it had three of those tub-like barrels in it ... carrying wine! So not fish, though, I could see the same setup for hauling fish
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Post by shep on Aug 11, 2020 14:50:36 GMT -9
A tub full of wine... Hehe... No! NO!!! With the heat wave we have right now, that would most probably kill me... However, on another note, today I found out that TTCombat is about to dabble in papercrafting. Perhaps we should mail them and offer our help...
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 11, 2020 17:46:37 GMT -9
Sounds like they believe Scott has it covered
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 18, 2020 14:48:17 GMT -9
Between certification classes and phone calls and emails today, I thought I would see if any of the named buildings in these had real life counterparts. My thought was if I were to find real images of the Santa Maria Vergine ai Prati chiesa, I could use the Oonirico model as a rough start on geometry. I think that not a single building in these sets is based off a real building, but they do capture the feel of Venice, 1757. I just thought that was rather humorous
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Post by Vermin King on Aug 18, 2020 17:47:36 GMT -9
And as I have threatened to do a Venetian chiesa, I was looking up masegni patterns tonight and saw the Campo di San Zandegolà. Yes, John the Beheaded. Built in 1007, though the parish church (the group of people that attend) was a century or two old at that time. Not the oldest Venetian church, but dang close, and other than one hunk of the roof, it should be a fairly easy design, unlike so many of the Byzantine-looking things they favor. Isn't covered in statues either. www.bing.com/images/search?q=san+zandegol%c3%a0&qpvt=San+Zandegol%c3%a0&form=IQFRML&first=1&scenario=ImageBasicHover
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Post by Vermin King on Oct 12, 2021 12:41:03 GMT -9
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Post by squirmydad on Oct 12, 2021 17:12:32 GMT -9
I love those paddles, gives me an idea for an old airship project.
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