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Post by Vermin King on Jun 6, 2024 16:00:00 GMT -9
In the Needing Inspiration thread, the idea of doing a walk-through of the Samsara might be welcomed, cardboard-warriors.proboards.com/thread/11442/needing-inspirationYou can find the model (models) at www.toposolitario.com/workshop/samsara.html![](https://www.toposolitario.com/workshop/samsara/samsara_portada.jpg) This is probably more intimidating than it needs be. You have nine textures (now ten, if you count the Pinkfluffdoodle version, cardboard-warriors.proboards.com/thread/11449/topo-samsara-punkrabbitt-pink ). As I stated elsewhere - And the Add-ons are amazing ![](https://www.toposolitario.com/workshop/samsara/t_addons_screenshot01.png) ![](https://www.toposolitario.com/workshop/samsara/t_addons_screenshot02.png) I have made my own hybrid texture for this, but it should have a good visibility on the photos. Since there are so many variations, I am going to do three of these to incorporate many of the variations. Don't take the following as a complaint. Many of the components are open-end boxes. Without the connecting side, you cannot use magnets to have swappable parts. So while I am doing this, I am going to try to generate base plates for the boxes, so that my second and third builds can have swappable parts. I finished ignatious's ATV today ( cardboard-warriors.proboards.com/post/111864/thread ), but did not get my first copy of my Samsara printed. After work and mowing tomorrow night, I will get them printed, and clear-coated For those who wish to participate, be thinking about what texture you want and how you want it to look when finished. You will probably want to download the instructions found in this post, cardboard-warriors.proboards.com/post/111772/threadI will do my best to get you there, but please be patient As you follow along, you can either post your progress in this thread or you can make your own individual thread, but if you have any specific questions, it would probably be best to ask them in this thread, or maybe not ... Any questions?
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Post by Punkrabbitt on Jun 6, 2024 18:42:37 GMT -9
I won't be able to hit this until July... June is already slated for Ruined City....
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Post by Vermin King on Jun 7, 2024 5:49:57 GMT -9
Well, hopefully there will be enough info here to see you through when you do it in July. I am really looking forward to seeing this in all its Pink Majesty.
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Post by Vermin King on Jun 7, 2024 8:25:39 GMT -9
For 'First Friday', it isn't very busy today, so I have been doing some preliminary work I am going through the instructions and numbering the parts on my pages with the corresponding step in the instructions. With all the options for the parts, I thought it would make more sense. Putting the two sections of the Main Hull together is Step 1, so both are numbered '1'. The rear end is Step 2, so they are each labeled '2', etc. I am also working up the Samsara Base Plates template page. Nose and Rear End plates were straight-forward, but for the cockpit it becomes a bit trickier. Looking at the Cockpit section ![](https://i.postimg.cc/R6RPvQGR/Cockpit-Instructions.png) There's the box and the two bubbles, only the bubbles also have separate headlights, so to be able to swap out cockpits, I created a base plate that can either be glued under the box or a bubble and headlights can be glued to it. Each panel will either have four magnets or four washers glued at the corners. Likewise the Hull panels will get similar treatment. EDIT --
Have to rethink the cockpit basesOddly enough, the tower items have 'closed' bases. I added the extra parts needed to complete two back ends
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Post by Vermin King on Jun 8, 2024 6:16:54 GMT -9
Needing some ideas - The cockpit base plate, as is, covers the top of the nose and the front panel of the central hull. Over the nose is no issue, magnets or washers inside the cockpit or cockpit and lights. The civilian box is no issue whatsoever.
But the bubble cockpits abut the central front panel. It would be easy enough to glue a cockpit and lights onto the lower portion and nose, but if I do that, there is no 'good' way that I am aware of to get the remainder of the upper panel to be held magnetically to the front central hull face without the edges and corners curling.
Currently, I can think of two solutions --
Full base plate for the civilian box cockpit regardless
For the bubble cockpits,
1) Tab and Slot along the roof edge and magnets along the lower panel corners
2) Base plate for lower panel where the cockpit and lights go along the nose, with a base plate extension for the back of the bubble.
That being said, without an illustration, I am sure this is coming out as coming from an engineer -- everything said may be technically correct, but it really cannot be proven or dis-proven because it makes little sense.
I'll try to post a couple illustrations later today
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Post by WaspeaterDan on Jun 8, 2024 7:14:46 GMT -9
Definitely not my area of expertise, if I need something swappable I'll use a Chris Roe style peg 'n' socket and/or poster putty - but it occurs to me there are thin magnetic sheets like magnetic fridge poetry kits are made of: ![](https://i.postimg.cc/DmLKc1Cf/poe-400words-copy.jpg)
Would that be any good?
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Post by Vermin King on Jun 8, 2024 8:15:27 GMT -9
Definitely not my area of expertise, if I need something swappable I'll use a Chris Roe style peg 'n' socket and/or poster putty - but it occurs to me there are thin magnetic sheets like magnetic fridge poetry kits are made of: ![](https://i.postimg.cc/DmLKc1Cf/poe-400words-copy.jpg)
Would that be any good? I had considered peg and socket, also, but I don't like building fiddly pegs. I've never found a magnetic sheet that solved any problem. Here's my illustration (no, not great, but I just wanted to show concepts) ![](https://i.postimg.cc/hf8w1wPj/Samsara-Base-Plates-Options.png) and Option 1 ![](https://i.postimg.cc/YvqXfCsn/Samsara-Base-Plates-v1.png) and Option 2 ![](https://i.postimg.cc/VrM4LrJ6/Samsara-Base-Plates-v2.png) Do they make any magnetic soda cans any more? Or maybe fairly thin magnetic metallic sheets?
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Post by Vermin King on Jun 9, 2024 17:33:53 GMT -9
I am going to go with option #2. Washer towards the top of the flap, with a magnet in the center top of that front panel. I think the fold ought to hold things 'right' between the nose and the main hull, and with magnets inside the headlights, it should work. If not, I might have to glue it, but I think it ought to work. Pages 1 to 6 are printed, not coated or scored, yet, but I got home late tonight after a long day. ![](https://i.postimg.cc/s1BKd89f/IMG-20240609-212237300.jpg) To aid myself with keeping track of everything, you may notice I numbered the parts, By which step in the instructions. 1 is the main hull, 2 is the nose, both back ends are 3, etc. I am hoping if I do this right, I won't need to print 18 pages to build the three. I did not print the base plate page, yet, because I generated that tab from the isometric view. I want to double check dimensions and adjust the base plate page before printing. I could just trim it to fit, but I would rather give you all a page that just works. So, I will be building the bubble canopy from Step 4 first, so I can verify and adjust the tab
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Post by Vermin King on Jun 10, 2024 5:51:55 GMT -9
They are clear-coated, now. Couldn't find Krylon Clear Satin anywhere last week, so Krylon Clear Matte was used.
Before I head out of town this afternoon, I plan on having the Main Hull and Nose built, as well as one of the bubble canopies.
But I also have to finish up the mowing...
EDIT --
And help my neighbor, and answer calls for work. So, I was a bit optimistic. Part of it was that I was still making double certain that my ideas on magnet location in the nose and main hull were correct, which also meant looking at the Add-Ons to locate magnet points for optional parts, too.
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Post by Vermin King on Jun 11, 2024 7:29:01 GMT -9
How many are we going to have on this, even if you aren't going start right now?
Has anyone looked at the 'Extremely Sexy Engineering Plow'? I can't prove it either way, yet, but I think you have to leave off the bumper to have the plow blades. And the bumper does not lend itself easily to being held in place with magnets, unless one redesigns the supports into boxes
Working the kiosk until 1PM today, then have a 2PM appointment, but anticipate being home before 5PM, so maybe I can make a little progress tonight
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Post by Vermin King on Jun 11, 2024 18:53:02 GMT -9
Home before 6:30. Took care of cats and had dinner, so a bit of a late start ![](https://i.postimg.cc/y37bJQjr/IMG-20240611-221314174.jpg) Threw that one in because the little corners underneath might be tricky ![](https://i.postimg.cc/sG2Jdtwy/IMG-20240611-221351009.jpg) Yes, when I started printing, my printer was on 'Fit to Page', so I had to print 'Actual Size' on the other. But this shows the location of the 10 magnets in the Main Hull. There will be 5 in the nose (if they fit, otherwise I will have to figure something out different) ![](https://i.postimg.cc/kVc8JTV5/IMG-20240611-224151061.jpg) If you decide to go the magnet route, be careful in gluing. The magnets weigh just enough to require holding the joins a bit longer than normal or the weight may cause some shifting before the glue fully dries And even though I have a nose base plate on the Base Plate page, I need to build the bubble canopy and scan it to verify my tabs. I guess I could build the canopy first. We'll see
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Post by Vermin King on Jun 12, 2024 5:27:40 GMT -9
![](https://i.postimg.cc/SJSJrvhr/IMG-20240612-085835714.jpg) I didn't show the process, but the nose is built, without the closing plate, but with five magnets in the upper surface ( four corners and in the center ). That bubble canopy is a beautiful design for capturing the curves, but is going to be a bit of a bear to edge EDIT -- Oh, yeah, my washers are too big for the insides of the headlights, so I need to get some small nuts when I go shopping this AM
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Post by Vermin King on Jun 12, 2024 7:32:25 GMT -9
Never a good day for Microsoft to do an update, but getting a little bit done on my poor old laptop, bogged down with the update download First, I'll show the canopy build ![](https://i.postimg.cc/64f3LdqT/IMG-20240612-104213065.jpg) ![](https://i.postimg.cc/23QVDfGm/IMG-20240612-105558787.jpg) ![](https://i.postimg.cc/MvzXZr3B/IMG-20240612-105612201.jpg) Scanned the upper section opening, then traced the upper part onto scrap card and scanned that. Compared the two and I think I have a pretty good feel for how the base plate tab should look, but haven't gotten it done yet. I also realized that I am going to need to build the back ends next. If my magnet-based swappable parts work well, each back end will need a set of wheels, so I made a new Xtra Wheels page with two wheels and the mounting brackets ![](https://i.postimg.cc/Yv99YLHq/samsara-industrial-apoc-25-Xtra-wheels.png)
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Post by WaspeaterDan on Jun 12, 2024 10:52:04 GMT -9
Tonight's the only time I'll have a chance for some hobby time until Sunday, 'cause I'm off to a family reunion (the Texas branch are visiting the motherland), so this is just a very quick post to show solidarity. Measure twice, cut onceConcavities are always fiddly My needle nose pliers and reverse tweezers seem to have run away so I'll leave it there before sticky-fingered impatience proves my downfall once again.
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Post by Vermin King on Jun 12, 2024 11:16:32 GMT -9
And it finally is telling me to Restart my computer. I'm going to get that Base Plates page tweaked and printed before I do that. Then it is time to move on to the back ends. I really should have gotten more work done for work today, but I wanted to get this project moving
Have fun with the reunion and hopefully the tools will turn up ... or be inexpensive to replace
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Post by Vermin King on Jun 12, 2024 18:36:24 GMT -9
Sidetracked ... Again But getting closer to having the easier back end done and the nose is on. I know I made a base plate to close off the nose, but don't use it. It will be too obvious that it is an extra part. The rear end base plate was put into position and the washers glued so that they would 'seat' over the magnets in the main hull. ![](https://i.postimg.cc/G4NC9d1H/IMG-20240612-222253649.jpg) ![](https://i.postimg.cc/VSCcCpY4/IMG-20240612-222311728.jpg) Whichever back end you choose, you start by building the lower portion, then build the upper portion and attach them. When going the magnet route, you then connect to the base plate ![](https://i.postimg.cc/bD0c6nSt/IMG-20240612-222505927.jpg) I am trying to decide if I will finish tonight or in the morning. I should let the glue dry more thoroughly
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Post by Vermin King on Jun 13, 2024 5:36:17 GMT -9
I did get this back end finished last night and started on the larger back end. ![](https://i.postimg.cc/kRXW5Dzb/IMG-20240612-231636654.jpg) ![](https://i.postimg.cc/HjBQh484/IMG-20240612-231723534.jpg) ![](https://i.postimg.cc/QHCpG9pL/IMG-20240612-235233718.jpg) I used the spice bottle containing paperclips to keep things tight while the glue dried. After I took the photo showing the progress, I again put it under weight while getting the washers glued to the base plate for the second back end. I now have all of the parts scored, edged, and somewhat folded. I will have to get the shape right so that I will know which tabs need trimmed. Where there are extremely pointy parts, some of the tabs are too wide for a good join. EDIT -- I also printed out the Xtra Wheels page and clear-coated it. Krylon Clear Matte. I would have preferred Satin, but for this vehicle, Matte should be fine. As the next step after the back ends is to install the wheel mounts, I need six mounts for the main hull and the two back ends. I didn't mention this above, but if you are using the base plates, glue the top edge of the back end to the top edge of the base plate first. Make sure alignment is excellent. Let it dry for a bit before you finish gluing the base plate. You want the top (most visible) edge to look good BTW ... WaspeaterDan, even if it didn't look great, I am amazed you finished your first build of this at all without instructions. You have skills
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Post by Vermin King on Jun 13, 2024 7:21:01 GMT -9
Between calls and work stuff, I am making a bit of progress ![](https://i.postimg.cc/m1DbdFtV/IMG-20240613-105932277.jpg) ![](https://i.postimg.cc/3WJJrznp/IMG-20240613-110838859.jpg)
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Post by Vermin King on Jun 17, 2024 4:47:32 GMT -9
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Post by Vermin King on Jun 17, 2024 8:10:23 GMT -9
I had hoped to finish Step 3 with the wheel attachments and get started on the front canopies in Step 4 today, but Real Life is catching up with me. I doubt I am going to be able to leave town as planned ... 42 minutes from now. But I do have the parts ready to cut out ![](https://i.postimg.cc/87DKrkL4/IMG-20240617-092036049.jpg) Since I have two separate back ends, I have six of these parts
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Post by WaspeaterDan on Jun 17, 2024 8:41:26 GMT -9
WARNING - PHOTO SPAM INCOMING!
I continued building the "civilian" front end and the lower rear as normal:- Then I had to start making good on my "pickup bed" idea. First I cut the large upper rear into 4 sections to make the gap I would fill mostly with Walrus parts. Then realising this would be very wobbly without a roof I added an extra bit of card to stiffen things up and create a floor for the truck bed. I had to add an extra tab to the rear side pieces. Then I started gluing my modified upper rear together.
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Post by WaspeaterDan on Jun 17, 2024 9:25:13 GMT -9
So I could glue together my modified back end without any mistake ruining what I'd done so far (this is where I gave up last attempt) I made a bulkhead plate. Which worked nicely. I used the Walrus flatbed as the basis for the truck bed. And used other bits from that sheet to cover blank areas.
Hatches from the smaller rear option were used to build up the sides and rear. ![](https://i.postimg.cc/7GmZ0qMG/PXL-20240617-122518473.jpg) ![](https://i.postimg.cc/KRK83SKj/PXL-20240617-124208852.jpg) Then I glued it in and added a hatch from the Walrus cockpit. ![](https://i.postimg.cc/5Xg4ZxTP/PXL-20240617-125004770.jpg) ![](https://i.postimg.cc/ZBywyqhj/PXL-20240617-134450002.jpg) This left a number of of blanks and gaps to cover up.
I used part of the Walrus APC option at the front of the truck bed. Cut down Walrus flatbed sides and part of the skirt tidied up the sides and back end.
Not sure if I'll tackle the wheels or a turret next. Cheers,
Dan
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Post by Vermin King on Jun 17, 2024 10:02:47 GMT -9
Now that is one nice kitbash. I feel like a slacker. When I built the larger rear end, I thought about closing the lower box and changing the tab placement, but thought I had better build it somewhat straight for the sake of doing the group build. That piece would definitely benefit from being two parts that are closed boxes in a Christopher Roe style I probably would go onto the wheels to get them out of the way, if it were me. Once the wheels are on, it is usually easier for me to see what I want to end up with.
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Post by ignatious on Jun 17, 2024 12:15:18 GMT -9
Damn Dan. That's awesome. I can't wait to see it done. As for the "photo spam", pics always pics. I personally like to see things from multiple angles, and I doubt anyone got into this hobby by reading discussions about scale, tabs, and whatever else we talk about.
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Post by WaspeaterDan on Jun 17, 2024 12:28:07 GMT -9
Built the gun turret according to the instructions (A missile launcher would fry any passangers in the back with backblast and the turret can represent a wide variety of in-game weapons) but decided it sat too low. It looks like it couldn't clear the cab roof when shooting straight ahead. So I added the turret ring that goes with the missile launcher to raise it up. Looks a little janky but this is intended as an adapted industrial vehicle rather than purpose built so a little jank is entriely appropriate. ![](https://i.postimg.cc/Bt4YMH2f/PXL-20240617-204141918.jpg)
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Post by Vermin King on Jun 17, 2024 13:59:07 GMT -9
WaspeaterDan, do you ever use Gimp, Photoshop, etc.? You have a very good 'eye' for what looks 'right'. Something tells me you could do well in design I also like that the kitbashes you've shown all have a back story. Thanks for sharing
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Post by WaspeaterDan on Jun 17, 2024 14:27:55 GMT -9
WaspeaterDan , do you ever use Gimp, Photoshop, etc.? You have a very good 'eye' for what looks 'right'. Something tells me you could do well in design I also like that the kitbashes you've shown all have a back story. Thanks for sharing Tried GIMP, was following a 'GIMP for beginners / dummies / baby idiots' youtube video to try to remove Infinity iconography from a Topo Chickenhawk, spent 40mins failing to understand how selection / masking worked and nearly threw my computer out the window (or at least one of the lighter peripherals).
I've got something of a background in pen & paper design in that Architecture was one of the university degree programs I failed.
Since I'm building this for Necromunda the factions are pretty much all some combination of criminal gang and paramilitary (with a side order of cults). Canonically, sticking guns on a truck is self-defense (or at least plausibly deniable), but aquiring heavy military equipment starts looking mighty like rebellion which is liable to get the offending party stepped on with extreme prdjudice by the planetary authorities.
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Post by Vermin King on Jun 17, 2024 14:53:36 GMT -9
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Post by WaspeaterDan on Jun 18, 2024 0:36:27 GMT -9
I really like the way these axle pieces come togther. The connection around the corner is structurally very strong and the graphics on the main body panels make it clear where to line them up, sometimes the standard blank contact patch can be tricky as you're covering what you're trying to line up with. ![](https://i.postimg.cc/87Vdg1Jv/PXL-20240618-085907380.jpg)
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Post by Vermin King on Jun 18, 2024 6:25:20 GMT -9
I'm looking forward to getting that step done when I get back in town. Then it is on to the canopies!
I think I am seriously going to do that mod to closed boxes on the back end.
1) Makes an easier build 2) Easier to mod 3) Less stressful on the nerves and increases the probability of a successful build
It won't work on a transport mod that I would like to do, but I am on Hotspot here, so I won't try to post an illustration.
You have inspired me, sir
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