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Post by wyvern on Aug 18, 2014 6:28:26 GMT -9
Just a quick update to my August 16th posting, as my e-mail with the "extant products" links arrived today, without my needing to do anything further. Two hours of downloading later (I went for a fairly high level of support!), and am now wondering when I'll find time to print and make up much of this! Nice problem to have though  Looking forward to all the new stuff as and when it becomes available as well; no rush though...  |
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Post by wyvern on Aug 25, 2014 2:23:49 GMT -9
There's an update on progress with Okumarts mini sets from the stretch goals for this KS on the Darkfast Dungeons KS Updates page today, including a couple of preview shots of the Dark Elves and Tree Men. Looking great! |
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Post by BSGTony (lordzsezse) on Aug 27, 2014 0:27:28 GMT -9
BSGTony (lordzsezse): I see from the KS webpage update today (August 16th) that you've begun sending out the existing products to backers. Obviously, this is great news, but for those like myself who backed via PayPal, we can't "log in" to read the new post, because we don't have an account with the KickStarter system. As I hadn't had an e-mail from you up to the time I posted this note here, I'm not sure if there's anything I need to do to access these items, or if I'll simply receive an e-mail with the links over the next couple of days. Thought it might be helpful to post this here, as I know others on the CWF backed by PayPal too, and may have similar questions. Gosh, you are so right! I will keep it in my mind next time I post an update. We could send the mails only to the paypal address of yours, please send me here an email in private that you use and I will update it in our list and send you the letter again with the downloads. Thank you! - Ok, you got them, I can see the new post  |
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Post by wyvern on Aug 31, 2014 1:15:00 GMT -9
wildagreenbough's already added the latest update image from the Okumarts Tree-Men-dous contributions to this Lord Zsezse KS (with a few Elves) to the Darkfast Dungeons KS thread, but thought I should nudge this topic too, for anyone who followed the Lord Zsezse KS (for which these minis were created) but not the Darkfast Dungeons one. The Darkfast Dungeons KS webpage (link in my August 25 posting) has the image plus a couple of comments about it - and progress with the beta Dungeoneering rules, naturally.
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Post by wyvern on Sept 16, 2014 1:03:43 GMT -9
Thought I'd give this a bump today, as the three sets of Okumarts minis were released yesterday (Sep 15), including the KS-exclusive minis. KS backers should have had an e-mail with the access link to download these by now, and great-looking they are. I see a few folks have already posted about them elsewhere on the CWF!
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Post by mproteau (Paper Realms) on Sept 16, 2014 8:48:08 GMT -9
I just posted cutfiles for the High Elves set. I'll start the drow later today (which probably won't get finished until tomorrow morning) and I'll start the tree dudes after that. *Eighteen* figures in the High Elves set (including the kickstarter exclusive guy), plus layers for controlling colors. Phew. |
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Post by mproteau (Paper Realms) on Sept 17, 2014 10:07:36 GMT -9
Cutfiles are posted for Darkfast Classic Fantasy Set 8: Dark Elves. Have at em! okumarts - Kudos to you for putting in registration mark layers and keeping things within the safe cutting area. It greatly simplifies the instructions for using the cutfiles. I do have two questions for you. First, in set 9 - the terrain elements pdf - I was surprised to not see any tabs on the figures. How do you propose holding these props up? Normally I slip things into a slotted piece of foamcore, but that will obscure the bottom 3/16" of the piece... I might have to kitbash myself some tabs onto the figures. Second, for Zsezse kickstarter backers like me, the PDFs were downloaded not through DriveThruRPG but through another source. This has a couple negative side-effects related to the fact that they're not part of my DriveThruRPG library. The first is that if you update the pdf for any reason, I won't know about it. The second is, if I lose the file for some unfortunate reason, I'll have to remember to go to multiple places to download it. I'm wondering if you could provide kickstarter backers with a link to download the product through DriveThruRPG? Is the kickstarter set of PDFs a superset of what is available for purchase? Oh, and I said two things, but there is one more thing. These PDFs are atrociously slow to open on my work computer, which is no slouch. I can try them at home, where I have a higher-end machine, but I suspect the same. Any idea why these PDFs are so slow to load? If it has anything to do with the blend mode of the colors, I'd gladly ditch that as a feature (in general). Specifically in these three sets, I'm finding the blending to be unusable because it darkens the whole figure to a point where they won't print well at all. I wanted you to have the feedback for future PDFs. Thanks for so many great minis. |
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Post by wyvern on Sept 18, 2014 4:33:24 GMT -9
...the terrain elements pdf - I was surprised to not see any tabs on the figures. I contacted David about these too by PM, and also the somewhat narrow base tabs on some of the larger Treemen minis. Hopefully, it won't be too much extra work to adjust these, as there seemed to be space on all the pages. Re the mini sets not becoming part of your DriveThruRPG library's a good point. I'd guess Lord Zsezse will have to send out e-mails if any updates are made (because they have the list of KS backers). I'm not sure these could be loaded via the OBS sites though, because of the KS-exclusive minis, which won't be part of the sets on general sale. These PDFs are atrociously slow to open on my work computer, which is no slouch. Interesting point. I'd thought it was just my machine running the files a bit slower than normal, but obviously not. The colour blending seems to be OK for most of the High Elves options, as long as you don't use more than two layers, but I agree with your point about the too-dark minis in the other sets. I haven't tried printing any of these as yet, however. |
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Post by mproteau (Paper Realms) on Sept 18, 2014 4:46:54 GMT -9
Re the mini sets not becoming part of your DriveThruRPG library's a good point. I'd guess Lord Zsezse will have to send out e-mails if any updates are made (because they have the list of KS backers). I'm not sure these could be loaded via the OBS sites though, because of the KS-exclusive minis, which won't be part of the sets on general sale. Yeah - I was thinking that all KS backers could get the general sale one, then just download the separate exclusive PDFs from LZW. |
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Post by mproteau (Paper Realms) on Sept 18, 2014 7:08:11 GMT -9
Cutfiles are available for Darkfast Classic Fantasy Set Nine: Tree Folk. If David chooses to change any of the artwork, I'll fix up the cutfiles for them. I have to admit, I'm turning these cutfiles loose for early adopters - if you've had any trouble with the cutfiles, please drop me a PM and I'll fix them right away. I'm hoping this weekend to have the time to print and cut all of the figures from these three latest sets. |
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Post by mproteau (Paper Realms) on Oct 16, 2014 6:46:43 GMT -9
BSGTony (lordzsezse), Zsezse, How are things going on production? I haven't heard much about the progress you folks are making. The last update I saw from you was only in regards to the okumarts minis. Can you elaborate (either here, or on kickstarter) about your timeline? The "original" timeline had the ruined sanctuary in 4 textures by July and the base wall set in September (or early October). I figured I'd nudge you since it's mid-October now. It would be cool even if things are behind schedule to get somewhat regular updates just letting folks know that progress is being made!
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Post by BSGTony (lordzsezse) on Oct 20, 2014 19:04:51 GMT -9
Hi there,
Yep, we are in "late" to the deadline we wrote on the Kickstarter pledges. And the reason why I use the commas are the next: thanks for your great support this project grown up big that means more work for us especially on the styles, and that’s really great but need more time to do that. Now we are working on all three sets simultaneously because we have to check the text matches and fits on almost all models ('disadvantage" of modularity :-) ). This way it will be easier to fix something if it's not right on the textures than update everything after we release the first set and the nexts. So I have to ask you to be patient, we are working on the sets. This means the first set with the walls (warrior pledge level) will come a bit later and the others in time if everything will be fine.
Sorry for the delay with the first set and thanks for asking about it! We will write an update on the KS page right we can show you something.
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Post by wyvern on Dec 28, 2014 2:17:22 GMT -9
Thought I'd bump this topic again today, as I know quite a few people have been waiting for news of progress. There's a major new update been released today on the Lord Zsezse Facebook page - direct link here - which shows images of what's being worked on, and the revised estimated delivery times during Jan to Mar 2015 for the Wall, Tower and Fortress Sets respectively. By the looks of the rest of the list of items in progress, there've been some unanticipated development problems, hardly surprising given the scale and complexity of the whole project, so this list is very helpful in updating everyone as to where we currently stand as regards delivery times. BSGTony (lordzsezse): Just a thought, based on the number of queries that have appeared, and the clear development delays (the first release was anticipated for July on the KS page, after all!), perhaps it would be worthwhile e-mailing a monthly update - even if it was just a few lines of text with progress news - to all the KS and Paypal backers? Along with many others, I'd rather you got the sets right, not rushed, so delays are understandable to get the products as perfect as possible. A regular quick update to everyone would still be welcome though. And that way, we might even be able to sympathise with some of the difficulties you've been having |
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Post by oldschooldm on Dec 28, 2014 20:42:55 GMT -9
BSGTony (lordzsezse): Just a thought, based on the number of queries that have appeared, and the clear development delays (the first release was anticipated for July on the KS page, after all!), perhaps it would be worthwhile e-mailing a monthly update - even if it was just a few lines of text with progress news - to all the KS and Paypal backers? Along with many others, I'd rather you got the sets right, not rushed, so delays are understandable to get the products as perfect as possible. A regular quick update to everyone would still be welcome though. And that way, we might even be able to sympathise with some of the difficulties you've been having Seconded. I fear that you ( BSGTony (lordzsezse)) have fallen prone to the problem young publishers often have: feeling shame at missing original estimates, so you think it's better not to point this out. Let me assure you, as a book author, that this is normal and exactly the wrong reaction, especially for Kickstarter. Your fans love your work, communicate with us OFTEN, especially when you have challenges. We will forgive and support you. But if you keep ignoring us, we will get irritated and turn against you. When it comes to creative content for customers, always communicate early and often, especially when it's going to take longer. Blown deadlines are a way of life, especially for first KS. But seeming to ignore your patrons is a mistake. I've just received confirmation that my replacement printer is on the way, so I still can't WAIT to start on my elven castle. Your #1 Fan, OldSchoolDM |
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Post by BSGTony (lordzsezse) on Jan 2, 2015 6:25:46 GMT -9
Hi oldschooldm, you are absolutely right. Yes, because it is our first project it was hard to shoot the deadlines with the new unlocked stretch goals, I'm sure we will be better in it next time. And as we went over the deadlines we felt shame and wanted to show something very great to compensate our backers. But that was not possible, and updates were pushed for weeks and months. The other thing is when I want to publish an update I write the script and send it to our CE to proofread it, and sometimes (like last time) he just skips it or doesn't see it like it happened with my "Thanksgiving" update. December was busy for everyone. But I sent him a new update, so I hope it will be post within 1-2 days. We want to post an update on every weeks and keep inform our backers from now. Other: Do you - or anyone - have any experience with copy editors or proofreaders? I would really like to hire one for a longer period. I need one for my products, and posts/updates on sites to correct my English. An official one from a trustable agency would be also good. That's why I ask it. |
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Post by ninevah on Jan 7, 2015 13:49:28 GMT -9
Are you specifically looking for a copy editor/proofreader that has formal experience doing that? I've got a friend who would be good at it, but he hasn't actually done that as a job before. He has done print layout for all the printed materials for one of the largest department stores in the US for quite a number of years.
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Post by Coldest Orchestra on Feb 5, 2015 7:19:09 GMT -9
Don't give up Anton! I am loving what I am seeing, no disappointment here just excitement! Now I have a good Story reason to use it in our Dungeons and Dragons Campaign as well my wife High/Wood/Dark Elves for Warhammer Fantasy.
I hope all is well, I keep checking and trying to keep smiles on others with comments on Kickstarter.
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Post by eran on Feb 5, 2015 9:58:38 GMT -9
BSGTony (lordzsezse): If you are still looking for a copy editor, my sister is an author, and she may know someone who would be interested. I will check with her and pass along any relevant info. eran
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Post by Coldest Orchestra on Feb 8, 2015 20:55:20 GMT -9
Well hoping you all are well. Pleased as punch to see your set pictures. Can't wait to see a newer timeline! Keep up all the good work!
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Post by wyvern on Feb 18, 2015 3:57:24 GMT -9
There've been another couple of updates on progress with this KS in the past week, as noted among the comments on the KS webpage and also on the Lord Zsezse Facebook page. Just to update folks here in case anyone's missed it, progress on the sets has been slowed recently as one-half of the company's originating pair, Zoltán Bárány, has unfortunately had a stay in hospital for an operation, although he was reported as well on the mend in Antal's update on Feb 12, and was hoping to be back at work properly in another fortnight or so from now ("today" = Feb 18). Hopefully, all has continued to improve for him, and I'm sure we all here wish Zoltán the speediest recovery possible. You can read more of what's been happening since the last update on the KS comments page. Meanwhile, on the Facebook page, a sequence of shots of the Moon texture options as they currently look was added a couple of days ago, definitely worth seeing for those of us of an Elven model-making persuasion! |
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Post by squirmydad on Feb 19, 2015 15:41:52 GMT -9
I hadn't seen that, thanks for the posting. I'll have to pop into their FB page and wish Antal a good recovery. |
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Post by wyvern on Mar 1, 2015 1:21:44 GMT -9
Those following the Lord Zsezse Facebook page, or the KickStarter Comments page, will have seen this already, but for others who haven't yet, Feb 27 saw the uploading of 157 (!) new WIP images to the Facebook page, and backers really MUST take a look to see what's on the way! |
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Post by Zsezse on Mar 7, 2015 7:00:03 GMT -9
We know you are waiting for the sets, we too
We can confirm that the Kickstarter project hasn't stopped for a minute.
There is a huge delay on the first set, but we hope you understand why.
Check out the underwater version of the medieval texture style:
Kickstarter update and beta test informations on the way. "Hi there, yes, our communication is bad, we don't really like to show something that is not finished, it’s kind of "artist" thing (perhaps it’s the worst we can do to our company but it will be much more surprise to you at the end). Because of it, it seems we don't move forward with the project, but the truth is we work on it every day and the base set coming closer and closer to the finish. The other half of the thing is we would like to give you the best quality and art at the models we can, and creating those lot accessories we added to the set with your help is much bigger work (in time) than we expected. I have to tell you everything is on the right way to be released just like we promised for everyone. Big thank you for the patience, support and trust you gave us with became our backer!"
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Post by wyvern on Mar 22, 2015 3:10:04 GMT -9
Major new update on the KS webpage Updates page on March 20, as noted on the Lord Zsezse facebook page, in honour of the equinoctial solar eclipse seen across Europe north to the North Pole (on the day of sunrise there itself, no less!). Given how previous "expected delivery dates" have come, gone and been forgotten, perhaps wisely, there's no timescale for when the sets will become available this time, but there are some fresh images, including of the textures, and a chart cross-indexing what textures will be available with which special effects formats. There's also a lot of new text explaining what's been happening, and what it's hoped will be happening soon(ish; hopefully!). |
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Post by Rhannon on Apr 23, 2015 22:38:07 GMT -9
BSGTony (lordzsezse)Some hard numbers: Products released since July 2014 (the first deliveries for this kickstarter were promised for then): Template Pack #18 Demonic Date Added: 2015-04-18 Template Pack #17 Angels Date Added: 2015-04-07 Template Pack #16 Vikings Date Added: 2015-03-20 Template Pack #15 Space Date Added: 2015-02-19 Template Pack #14 Sci-fi Date Added: 2015-02-03 Template Pack #13 Celtic Date Added: 2015-01-15 Template Pack #12 Frozen Date Added: 2015-01-02 Template Pack #11 Horror Date Added: 2014-11-06 Template Pack #10 Steampunk Date Added: 2014-10-03 Template Pack #9 Dark Section Date Added: 2014-09-26 Template Pack #8 Dwarven Tales Date Added: 2014-09-11 Template Pack #7 From the Lost Library Date Added: 2014-08-26 Battlemap - The Prison of Decay Date Added: 2014-07-25 Eledriel's Cloister - Paper Model Date Added: 2014-07-11 Plus participation in other publishers products and kickstarters. At least 13 non-kickstarter releases since the last item a Kickstarter backer has been able to build. Only 5 updates in the 10 months since funding day, only 3 of which have progress information - none of them giving revised target delivery dates. In less than two months this project will be one year behind schedule - and we don't have any concrete dates for the next partial delivery. I've stopped buying the Template Packs because I feel like that they are distracting the company. Dudes. Throw us a bone. Not more pictures of what we can't have. Tell us a date that we can start building. Your lack of regular updates (and constant notices of new non-elven-terrain projects) has eroded my trust (and I don't think I'm alone.) As I already wrote to you almost 4 months ago: When it comes to creative content for customers, always communicate early and often, especially when it's going to take longer. Blown deadlines are a way of life, especially for first KS. But seeming to ignore your patrons is a mistake. Your #1 Fan, OldSchoolDM I'm this close to giving up on this project, and LZW altogether and going with another approach for my Dark Elven terrain. That would suck for us both. When will the first delivery be? "Soon" will not cut it, at least for me. Totally agree with you. I know that a kickstarter project primarily is not an advance sale but first of all i is a help to give to people who deserve it for their projects. Every now and then I have seen things that have not worked ( in at least two cases, I lost a lot of money. A few hundred dollars at least. With "Up Front!" and with Ashton Sperry's paper minis on IndieGoGo. Cause was definitely the dishonesty of the creators. I do not think this is so. :-) For now ) But I already have very puzzled. I hope this, without any response from them and especially without any real fact does not become something different. |
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Post by wyvern on Apr 24, 2015 0:20:25 GMT -9
BSGTony (lordzsezse): I have to agree with oldschooldm and Rhannon, that we really need to see more action than we have on this to date. I keep getting fresh Lord Zsezse e-mails, but they're always just announcing yet another new template pack, nothing from the KS. Guys, if you've time to prepare and market template packs, you've time to, at the very least, provide us with monthly - or even more regular - KS updates. Every now and again it's seemed you've realised the papercraft community's not happy with your lack of communication, and have started to provide fresh feedback. In return we've tried to be supportive, especially considering some of the difficulties you've been labouring under, but each time, the feedback's simply stopped, which makes providing support to what seems like a blank wall harder and harder. An example. Back in January, I sent you a PM here offering some assistance as copy editor/proof reader, following your request on Jan 2. Various problems mean the assistance I can offer is limited, but I do have considerable experience in this field, and it was freely offered, yet I had no reply to that message. OK, so I understand I may not have been able to provide the service you felt you needed, but it would have been helpful to know that. Like Oldschooldm, I too have projects on-hold pending promised models from this KS, and though mine are much more easily set aside, I'd still like to get some of them underway in this lifetime... Meanwhile, in case it helps, and appreciating you've probably already seen them (and doubtless still more) oldschooldm, there was the Heroic Maps - Giant Maps: Agaricath Drow City PDF released at the end of last month, albeit more a village than a city, and in floorplan format only, plus the Fat Dragon Games Depths of the Drow EZ Dungeons set from two Decembers ago.
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Post by BSGTony (lordzsezse) on Apr 24, 2015 9:34:07 GMT -9
Ahh, sorry wyvern, when I read the messages and I don't answer immediately I sometimes forget to send a reply later, I didn't want to offend you and thank you for your offer! Currently our 'helper' is back so we don't have to wait so much for a proofread. Yes, we totally understand the reason of your frustration, we‘ve afraid of this too, so we wrote about this in the previous update: “Zsuzsa goes well with the amazing new nature texture under Antal’s and Zoltán’s direction, she makes one texture style in the set and in her free time she creates you beautiful Template Packs by your requests.” This doesn’t mean we don’t work on the sets, Zsuzsa has a standard for these packs so we only upload them, the description and the names are the same, we have not much work with it. She only sends us the final pictures and we tell her some advice for changes if it is necessary. But you are right, this is our fault to not communicate it well, Zsuzsa has one texture style from the set and in her free time she can work on anything she wants, he has no main role in the life of this project. Yes, it shows a strange picture from us because it seems we release new products on every week and neglect you at the project because of the delays. But the truth is, working at Lord Zsezse Works is Zsuzsa’s only job she makes for living currently, so it’s kind of important for us to release her products. I know it’s not an excuse for the delays, but it’s important to tell the template packs have no relation with it. We don't have any delay because of the template packs. Please don’t punish her because of it. As you can see, we (Antal and Zoltán) had no new products released on RPGnow in the past year, the adventure for the Sussurus Tomb was come from AdventreAWeek and this project was started a half year before our Kickstarter project, with the Battlemap - The Prison of Decay as well. It was an unfinished project before the Kickstarter (the customer canceled it for now) so we published it as a PWYW product. The Kickstarter gave us publicity, we got (and still getting) many other requests for board games and other commission works that we could not (and don’t want to) accept until we totally fulfill this project. Our presence in other Kickstarter projects is meanly related to their help they gave us and our project before. And the condition is the next: we will not work on these products like the walls for Okumarts and the ship for AAW Games until we don’t finish at least the base sets from our project. We have thought a lot on become a part of the project of AAW with a ship but we would liked to acknowledge their support. (The surprise would have been the ship with the elven styles for the backers after the main releases) I know it’s hard to wait for something you paid for and have plans with it. It is not so easy for us, neither. The first release dates were planned for the base sets without any extras that were unlocked later. And these extras with the base textures and models take much more time than we expected. That’s why we decided to release the sets without any unlocked extras and we will update them to the final form after the releases. We don’t want to delay more times and lie about the deadlines even if it’s unintentional. We won’t give up on this project, don’t worry about it and we will finish every single part of it just as we promised. Btw, we’ve gotten back the proofread version of our weekly update on KS this morning, so it will be posted with the release date (this May) of the beta Wall Set (Elven Warrior level). Beta means it will be published with the 3 base textures with no unlocked switches but with all pieces. The exclusive and new textures will come as well later. We don’t want to make you wait more but give you the sets you can use until the final form of them. We have to say thanks for you even if you don’t support us anymore because without you we could not work on this monumental project and we really hope everyone will be satisfied at the end. |
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Post by BSGTony (lordzsezse) on Apr 24, 2015 9:40:01 GMT -9
hi, oldschooldmWe are very sorry but we cannot say closer than a May because we cannot know the specific date of Zoltán's third operation, and he needs 1-2 weeks for recovery. He will skip those weeks and we cannot shoot a date without the chance of another delay that we don't want to do anymore. We will be able to tell you more on the next week. |
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Post by Rhannon on Apr 24, 2015 10:20:16 GMT -9
Thanks BSGTony (lordzsezse) for your prompt and complete reply. For me it's all here. I don't doubt about your professional honesty, but as we have seen the lack of communication becomes a problem when there is vocational substance. Imho when someone wants to sell something to others as well as entrepreneurship, there must also be professionalism and passion. If you miss one of the three in the end it does not work. Resolved the lack of communication ( but I hope that the next time it is not necessary to ask it. It should arrive without being required ) for me ( I speak for me although I think that many others may can agree ) it's all ok. I have no hurry and problems with time. I have no participated in the project kickstarter because I need new carboard models. Actually I'm not even very interested in them. I prefer paper minis although I, from time to time, purchase any model to be built. I understand very well, unfortunately, unexpected moments of real life, which can delay many things, and I also agree that when there is notoriety we must exploit it (in a good way) and then, at the same time to the advancement of the project there are also other works and collaborations. You are doing very well imho, I would be sad if you doesn't so. However complete professionalism wants everything to be said. As it is now. Thank you. |
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Post by emergencyoverride on Apr 24, 2015 12:38:38 GMT -9
Well guys I understand that life happens. Things happen that can't be helped and I have been involved in kickstarters that took around 2 years to deliver everything. Being 4 or 5 months late to start delivering is not uncommon on kickstarter. I also understand that you did not expect it to get this big and that all of the switches and addons take time to design and add to the program. It is an incredible amount of work and every bit you add increases that load accordingly. I appreciate your efforts and will continue to support you in the future as I have in the past, regardless of it being late. It is only time after all and I have other stuff I can work on. Health and family come first everytime. Best wishes for Zoltan on his upcoming surgery and I hope he comes out of it ok and heals quickly. We are a small community in the hobby and a good one, and usually very supportive of its members, and understanding when issues arise and I hope that continues. You guys release stuff when its ready. I would rather it be right and look great than have it be slap-dash and wonky and have to be fixed. Just my two cents, but there it is. Again best wishes on the upcoming surgery. Please keep us posted on your recovery. |
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