|
Post by mesper on Aug 22, 2014 18:05:30 GMT -9
OK, I'm aware that classic fantasy genre Warrior Princess should be at least half naked, with extra big... err... eyes:), then most probably with some tiny-mini-half-bikini armour and preferably skinny'n'leggy manga style... Nah, really? Here's kinda "multi-culti" version draft: Japanese/Arabic/Medieval/Fantasy Princess! ...
|
|
|
Post by wildagreenbough on Aug 22, 2014 18:50:36 GMT -9
Yes I agree, I like this warrior princess very much Chainmail bikinis annoy me a lot (Grrrr..) Something I've wanted for a long time is a unit of women warriors based on this picture of Achaemenid Persian Female Warriors.
|
|
|
Post by mesper on Aug 22, 2014 20:08:35 GMT -9
<...> Something I've wanted for a long time is a unit of women warriors based on this picture of Achaemenid Persian Female Warriors. Quite interesting idea - saved in resource folder - so maybe/who knows? Fighting/Warrior Princess MkIIAdded: shoulder (left arm), face-mask, jewel (head), second sword (back) and basic shadows applied Better
|
|
|
Post by squirmydad on Aug 22, 2014 22:30:39 GMT -9
Hmm, no. I like being able to see her features, the mask makes me think of thief or assassin. Other wise cool.
|
|
|
Post by Rhannon on Aug 22, 2014 22:35:50 GMT -9
Hmm, no. I like being able to see her features, the mask makes me think of thief or assassin. Other wise cool. Idem.
|
|
|
Post by wildagreenbough on Aug 22, 2014 23:02:59 GMT -9
Masks have their places for some situations. An intrepid princess might be out on a quest that her family might not approve of so a mask could be very appropriate.
|
|
|
Post by cowboyleland on Aug 23, 2014 5:00:40 GMT -9
I also like the veil idea, as an option. I can't find it on google right now, but I think there was a tv show in the 90's that featured a female Zorro kind of character. She wore a "lone ganger" kind of mask with lace attached below to cover her mouth.
|
|
|
Post by wyvern on Aug 23, 2014 5:32:18 GMT -9
Good looking figure, but the skirt needs to be a little shorter. Looking at surviving ancient illustrations of male warriors, the longest robes/skirts tend to end a few centimetres above the ankle at least, and some are shown folded up and hooked into a waist belt at the front of such costumes, to be no longer than knee-length. It's far too easy to trip up in ankle-length robes when making any rapid movements (particularly forwards), as combat would require. The cloak could be similarly problematic. But for a princess springing into combat from her civilian disguise, this could work well. The metal gauntlets rather count against that explanation though! And great to see the Achaemenid Persian Female Warriors still found time to put on full facial makeup before going into battle
|
|
|
Post by mesper on Aug 23, 2014 15:07:59 GMT -9
<...> I like being able to see her features, the mask makes me think of thief or assassin <...> I knew it. As they say: if you gather 2 paper mini enthusiasts you will have 3 opinions But OK - I'll leave this mask as an option/feature. <...> but the skirt needs to be a little shorter... It's far too easy to trip up in ankle-length robes when making any rapid movements (particularly forwards), as combat would require. The cloak could be similarly problematic. Hmm... I'm afraid that this way we can sooner or later return to flexible fast moving but barely dressed chainmal bikini Princess Xena lookalike <...> The metal gauntlets rather count against that explanation though! Nah, these are enchanted gauntlets, so appears only when Princess is in combat or danger!
|
|
|
Post by mesper on Aug 23, 2014 17:06:25 GMT -9
Back to the roots or rather middle of the road? BTW cloak can be easily removed of course.
|
|
|
Post by Vermin King on Aug 23, 2014 17:51:38 GMT -9
I think you should go with your gut. The very first version you posted is still my favorite
|
|
|
Post by squirmydad on Aug 23, 2014 20:22:26 GMT -9
Three is good, four is missing something...
|
|
|
Post by wildagreenbough on Aug 23, 2014 20:29:05 GMT -9
Bareheaded with long hair is a nice option to have, but I don't agree with the bare legs. This princess seems to me to be more of an elegant warrior where as Xena is very much a 'punch their lights out with whatever comes to hand' type of warrior princess.
|
|
|
Post by wyvern on Aug 24, 2014 2:12:11 GMT -9
The bare legs debate comes down entirely to whether you want the figure to be more "warrior" or more "princess". Real-world warriors need freedom of movement in combat or they end up dead very quickly. There are many surviving artwork examples of ancient warriors to check up on for what options the many male warriors who wore robes, skirts and kilts adopted. Kings and leaders not involved in much combat can be shown wearing ankle-length skirts/robes. Those involved in fighting tend to have shorter ones. Barring warriors shown naked or almost so, the only real exceptions are those wearing full leg length trousers - which includes much of the Greek art showing Amazons, incidentally (albeit considered a mark of barbarism by the Greeks), so that could be another option here. Of course, fantasy worlds can ignore various aspects of reality, so it depends how much unreality you can put up with, I guess. To me, such long skirts are as wholly impractical in battle as mail bikinis.
|
|
|
Post by cadia134 on Aug 24, 2014 5:48:26 GMT -9
maybe she is wearing pants? Im pretty sure people can wear pants when they are both a warrior and a princess.
|
|
|
Post by mesper on Aug 24, 2014 12:06:46 GMT -9
Back to long skirt and hooded v1, with some minor (face profile) changes
|
|
|
Post by mesper on Aug 24, 2014 12:56:54 GMT -9
Hmm... previous version (Mk V - hooded) looks rather as some monk warioressa. So another one quick copy-paste try, now at least there should be no doubts that she is a girl
|
|
|
Post by wildagreenbough on Aug 24, 2014 13:19:31 GMT -9
I like both version V and VI, but as you say version V looks more like a monk warioressa than a princess. I think version V would still make a great RPG character though.
|
|
|
Post by mesper on Aug 24, 2014 14:03:31 GMT -9
And just another one... <...> The cloak could be similarly problematic. But for a princess springing into combat from her civilian disguise, this could work well. <...> OK, this one is both unmasked and "un-cloaked" as well:) Additionally some other changes made : elven dual-sword, plus this "hair-thing" (dunno - crest?)
|
|
|
Post by mesper on Aug 24, 2014 16:31:19 GMT -9
CWF, CWF, we've had a problem here!Most probably too many Priness versions were published - so they started to feel and act as kinda celebrities!!! Here's one of selfies submitted!: CWF, CWF... <SssSss>... problem... <Ssss>... [end of transmission]
|
|
|
Post by wyvern on Aug 25, 2014 0:43:12 GMT -9
I thought Princess I was doing the same trick - grinning straight into camera; she has that "Hi, Mom!" look Although the clothing still looks a little too cumbrous to me, Princess VI without the cloak (or VII with VI's sword) seems to work better overall, for stance and general appearance. Maybe needs the "Princess : Warrior" ratio slanted a little further towards "Warrior"? Edit - Added later: Just come across some comments on another Forum about a genuine Etruscan warrior princess from circa 2600 years ago, initially thought on discovery last year to have been a warrior prince, which may be of interest here too. This blog by Judith Weingarten has the most details and links I've come across; there's also more from the story on the same blog posted later (there's a link at the end of the first blog post).
|
|
|
Post by mesper on Aug 25, 2014 5:06:19 GMT -9
<...> Maybe needs the "Princess : Warrior" ratio slanted a little further towards "Warrior"? <...> Well probably yes. Then as more warrior than princess she could use helmet. Oh and a spear (however not Etruscan but fantasy-style in this case)
|
|
|
Post by wildagreenbough on Aug 25, 2014 7:53:56 GMT -9
An interesting variation on the princess theme, - I like it. If all the princess variations were available in a layered PDF they would be very useful as a means to create a unique character for RPGs.
|
|
|
Post by mesper on Aug 25, 2014 16:20:04 GMT -9
OK, some silly errors here - but that's just a sort of idea/quick mock-up
|
|
|
Post by arcticdragongames on Aug 25, 2014 22:56:39 GMT -9
Mk VI and Mk IX are my favorites.
|
|
|
Post by Rhannon on Aug 26, 2014 2:23:43 GMT -9
I prefer them all. I prefer a little less mkII and mkV models. But these are just personal preferences.
|
|
|
Post by eran on Aug 26, 2014 3:36:37 GMT -9
Anyone else notice that she is a lefty?
|
|
|
Post by wyvern on Aug 26, 2014 6:35:07 GMT -9
Princesses VI to IX looking good, I think. Like wildagreenbough's suggestion of PDF layers to increase the available variety, though I suspect from previous conversations regarding PERMES minis on the CWF, it's more likely these would be made available as separate minis on the same page. Anyone else notice that she is a lefty? Yeah, it's great to see a much improved range of "handedness" options among minis generally these days. I can still remember one metal cast mini left-handed RPG fighter actually being marketed as such, back in the late '70s, as it was a real rarity then.
|
|
|
Post by mesper on Aug 26, 2014 10:12:06 GMT -9
Anyone else notice that she is a lefty? Actually all poses with 2-handed grip are right-handed (in such case left hand is usually up). Then lefty MkIX allows better comparison with previous versions. So here's "one-hand right-handed one": Princesses VI to IX looking good, I think. Like wildagreenbough's suggestion of PDF layers to increase the available variety, though I suspect from previous conversations regarding PERMES minis on the CWF, it's more likely these would be made available as separate minis on the same page. Yep! Most probably. Thing is that making additional versions alone adds quite a lot of work - but that's funny part!, while arranging all these version and constructing quality multi layered set with all the bells and whistles is not only time consuming but also not that challenging thus kinda boring, at least for me. (OK well, personally I do appreciate and like flexibility of multi layered PDF's just don't like making these!)
|
|
|
Post by wildagreenbough on Aug 26, 2014 11:14:08 GMT -9
Ooooo I like princess Mk X If you were to make a warrior princess set with all the variations I would certainly buy it
|
|