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Post by Vermin King on Feb 8, 2016 18:35:44 GMT -9
Okay, maybe I shouldn't have created my own Member Projects area, but I have several projects going and I don't want to clutter up the Hoard threads anymore. Especially with projects that may not work. Like this one. As I've been looking for ships to base this on, I found some nice images of a Spanish galleon that I want to do, but I wanted to try some simple models that could inspire the basic geometry. Coming up with a nice middle-of-the-road difficulty model that would be similar in shape came up dry. Then I decided to look through files I'd already downloaded. I'd forgotten about this one. I may have been the last one to get this off Wayback Machine, because the links (seen in the following image) now are not available due to ye olde 'robots.txt'. Of course I can't build it straight, and they didn't really build it straight in their own photo, but I do want to build it a bit nicer and not have nearly so much blank white showing. I'm going to build it, then chop it up, so I can figure out how I want to do the shipwreck. Actually for just a little pirate playset, it isn't that bad. One of those cases where it seems strange to do it this well without taking it just a little farther.
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Post by squirmydad on Feb 8, 2016 21:27:34 GMT -9
You should absolutely have your own member's projects board! I thought you already had one, sorry. Fun idea! Looks a bit like a Cap'n cereal box ship.
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Post by Vermin King on Feb 9, 2016 4:57:20 GMT -9
As I see it, I want a bow pointing up, and the captain's quarters and part of the deck 'listing', so I think this will give me a better idea of how to accomplish what I want to do
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Post by Vermin King on Feb 9, 2016 9:41:11 GMT -9
Important lesson. On one side, I cut out the spaces for the rigging, then hit it with CA glue. On the other, I used CA first, and then cut out. First method definitely worked better. EDIT: You may have noticed that I don't intend to do square masts
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Post by Vermin King on Feb 9, 2016 18:38:47 GMT -9
Remember, this is just an exercise. I've done some good boats, but the ship models I've done have all been very disappointing. Doing the cartoon-y playset pirate ship, was just to help me figure out how to make things work. It doesn't look bad for an 'easy' model, so I think I can learn from it. One thing I've learned is that making a purse out of a sow's ear pretty well describes this. I should have just built it straight. Only I wanted to try out different techniques to put in my future project. So this 2-hour ship model is taking a bit longer.
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Post by Vermin King on Feb 10, 2016 19:42:01 GMT -9
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Post by cowboycentaur on Feb 10, 2016 20:17:30 GMT -9
Man I just like that little Ship! I may make one for my harbor in addition to making a wrecked one. Lol
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Post by Vermin King on Feb 11, 2016 5:21:39 GMT -9
It's a cute little thing, but it needs enlargement. Putting the figures on hex bases, there was no place on this that the bases would fit. If you delete the instructions on the pages, it could be enlarged by 25% and still fit on three pages. My Spanish Treasure Ship that I want to do for the wreck has elements similar to this ship, but I think I'm going to have to do a lot of individual boards on the side of the ship instead of being able to adjust a whole side image. But I think it could be tweaked into a caravel or cog without too much difficulty. And of course lose all the cartoonishness.
I'm half tempted to do a recently wrecked/scuttled ship for the Hoard, and eventually a cog or caravel. This was a rather addicting little guy.
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Post by eran on Feb 11, 2016 5:55:43 GMT -9
If you are looking for a similar model that is less cartoonish and a bit bigger, there was one from an old Dragon Magazine (#116) that was pretty good. It is more cog than caravel, though, and the quarterdeck is a bit more fiddly.
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Post by Vermin King on Feb 11, 2016 8:42:44 GMT -9
But it gives me more ideas
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 6, 2016 17:43:51 GMT -9
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 7, 2016 18:17:47 GMT -9
I think I am 90% positive what style I want.
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 11, 2016 9:41:06 GMT -9
Still getting used to ship geometry. Doing the Narnia Dawn Treader now Enlarged to 140% so that I could still fit it on two sheets of paper, and mirror printed on the back to get rid of a lot of the massive white that shows if you build it stock. Still takes a lot of touch up Once it is done (except for the masts), I am going to decide whether I want to go back and put decks in it
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 11, 2016 18:12:40 GMT -9
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 11, 2016 19:29:44 GMT -9
Yeah, I'll have to do the decks, not that I'm going to put a lot of effort into it. I think the deck from the Hallmark model of Captain Hook's pirate ship could be easily modified to give me the elements that can be re-sized to fit the Dawn Treader. As I was saying, the sails are so large, the decks won't really show well enough to do a lot of work on it. The Hook ship is glueless, so I've spent some time getting rid of the holes and some of the ship-specific items from the deck. If I didn't have to be up in six hours, I'd probably do it up tonight
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Post by cowboyleland on Mar 12, 2016 5:44:31 GMT -9
I think the figure head is a great start to a dragon model. Where can I get a copy of the dawntreader?
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Post by wyvern on Mar 12, 2016 9:02:03 GMT -9
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Post by cowboyleland on Mar 12, 2016 19:30:11 GMT -9
Thanks!
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 13, 2016 16:04:56 GMT -9
Back in town. I am going to do the decks, and while I'm at it, I'm going to print up the lantern on the stern mast from a movie image, and I'm going to do some more 'oar ports'. There are seven on each side in the movie, and the model has four on one side and none on the other. As it would look odd to have some raised ports, I'm doing 14 of them. Also, I'm going to do four copies of the ship's wheel (two and two mirrors) and dummy up the ship's wheel. I'm not doing the semi-circular deck extension it sits on.
Cowboy, if you want to go a little nicer on the model and do mirror images, use Gimp to color in the tabs, otherwise you are going to have to color over a bunch of white tabs.
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Post by cowboyleland on Mar 13, 2016 16:17:12 GMT -9
I was mostly interested in the dragon head and wondering if I could use it as a basis for a whole dragon but the idea hasn't really got a hold on me so I probably won't follow through.
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 15, 2016 5:56:56 GMT -9
Having a hard time finding deck images from the movie, so I think I'm just going to wing it a bit. I am going to darken and enhance the textures of the decks I'm using, and throw a few elements in. The narniafan forum has been the most help thus far. Just to give you an idea of how the model would look without too much enhancement, here's what it looks like from above with the sail held in place
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Post by wyvern on Mar 15, 2016 7:29:39 GMT -9
Having a hard time finding deck images from the movie, so I think I'm just going to wing it a bit. Are these any use? [From this webpage.] [From here.] If not, I'd recommend using freeze-frame on a DVD of the movie!
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 15, 2016 8:35:19 GMT -9
Very helpful! I'd seen a smaller version of the top photo, and was curious about the grillwork over the hold. The second photo helps. I also did not realize that it is a central stair going to the deck above the forecastle. The deck on the model is short, so I still won't have the definitive model, but I just want it closer. A rudder might be an easy addition, too.
I'm really surprised that when Fox commissioned the model, they didn't supply the designer with more images. They could have had a much more representative model just by adding additional elements. Like on the lantern mast. Why not have a lantern at the top of the mast? It wouldn't have made it any harder to cut out or build.
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Post by cowboyleland on Mar 15, 2016 15:56:19 GMT -9
Just "dawned" on me how the helmsman is steering completely blind. Every ship needs lookouts anyway but this seems extreme. Ah, fantasy.
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Post by wyvern on Mar 15, 2016 16:42:05 GMT -9
Yes, I can't help thinking Pauline Baynes' "original" is rather more plausible: And while stumbling about the Interweb hunting for a legible version of that, I chanced-upon another couple of deck views of the movie ship: I'd also suggest you may find this site helpful: www.narniaweb.com/2010/08/the-dawn-treader-in-falmouth-report-from-icarus/as it's a photo-record of the movie ship's visit to Falmouth, England in 2010.
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 15, 2016 16:44:55 GMT -9
Just "dawned" on me how the helmsman is steering completely blind. Every ship needs lookouts anyway but this seems extreme. Ah, fantasy. There are two crow's nests on the main mast. One high enough to be useful and the other is right behind the midpoint of the sail. That dragon's head would be a bear to see around. That sail is oversized because it is the only sail. If they were pulling into a dock would they have to use the oars to give a little forward momentum and steer without power? There's a ladder that goes up the back of the dragon head. Would they be using the top of the head as sort of a bowsprit?
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 15, 2016 16:51:53 GMT -9
Yes, I can't help thinking Pauline Baynes' "original" is rather more plausible: And while stumbling about the Interweb hunting for a legible version of that, I chanced-upon another couple of deck views of the movie ship: I'd also suggest you may find this site helpful: www.narniaweb.com/2010/08/the-dawn-treader-in-falmouth-report-from-icarus/as it's a photo-record of the movie ship's visit to Falmouth, England in 2010. That ship from that report was the promo boat. It was modified from the replica of Cabot's ship 'Matthew'. I've been collecting images of the Matthew, also. It doesn't look much like the movie ship, but it is a lot more reasonable to actually sail. And they did!
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Post by cowboyleland on Mar 15, 2016 18:11:26 GMT -9
Note the lookout man in the neck of the original illustration, which is much more plausible in many ways. I guess it all depends on the artist's whim and what audience they want to appeal to.
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 16, 2016 16:07:47 GMT -9
Sometimes I feel like a complete idiot. The crossover pieces are at the top of the rails, not the base. Overlaying my new deck pieces will look even more stupid than the original model. Time for surgery. I'm going to cut the crossover pieces out and reattach them at the rail bases. My overlays may or may not work.
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Post by Vermin King on Mar 17, 2016 9:28:46 GMT -9
Well, she made it through surgery. Had to do a prosthetic crosspiece, since the boat widens below the back one. Hopefully will be able to wrap this up tonight. Back to sitting on hold with an insurance company
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