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Post by Vermin King on Jan 25, 2018 19:50:52 GMT -9
Been busy tonight. Still need to add tabs back in where I corrected geometry, but the stripes and windows are from the Disney magazine model as are the wheels. The geometry came from a model that Tektonten said was the best bug he'd built. Had to do my own bumpers. Also had to darken the wheel wells, fix the lights and hardware, etc. etc. But tomorrow at lunch I should be able to get the tabs fixed, and maybe printed off
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Jan 26, 2018 6:23:46 GMT -9
Post by Vermin King on Jan 26, 2018 6:23:46 GMT -9
Also forgot the sunroof. Will fix at lunch
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Post by Vermin King on Jan 26, 2018 11:10:53 GMT -9
Couldn't resist and started cutting. Found something that needs tweaked already. I'll do a work-around on my build, but I have already fixed the file. The back end should have been 2/3 of a bumper longer. The importance of test builds.
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Jan 26, 2018 14:38:25 GMT -9
Post by Vermin King on Jan 26, 2018 14:38:25 GMT -9
I see more problems. My bumpers are too large and the lights don't sit high enough on the fenders. Without bumpers, it should still build up to look good, but I'll have to do a second build once I identify the things that need tweaked. Maybe I should have just built one of the existing models and ignored their errors To get each fender assembly positioned properly, you have to attach to the runningboard first, then attach to the body
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Jan 26, 2018 16:16:51 GMT -9
Post by Vermin King on Jan 26, 2018 16:16:51 GMT -9
Since the panels are curved, you can't just measure to get the base length. The original is a tad long (not that it really matters, the way it attaches), so I'm going to shorten it slightly. As is often the case where axles run into the wheels, the cut-out in the inner wheels is too small. Buildable, but you have to trim. After I do those fixes, I hope that will be it. Another thing is that the base will need to be trimmed to fit the runningboards. Maybe I will have a better idea after I build the second one
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Jan 26, 2018 22:19:30 GMT -9
Post by lightning on Jan 26, 2018 22:19:30 GMT -9
Man you are becoming the car king! Is that one of AirDaves or are you creating your own now?
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Jan 27, 2018 5:34:23 GMT -9
Post by Vermin King on Jan 27, 2018 5:34:23 GMT -9
Dean Jones's birthday was the other day, so I was looking at the different Herbie models out there and wasn't satisfied with any of them. Wrong wheels, wrong bumpers, no sunroof, wrong hardware, etc., etc.
So I was looking at Beetle models and came across a series of posts at Tektonten's blog where he built seven of the available models. This one is based on the one he listed as the best of the seven. It may be the best (at the time), but it has a few issues of it's own, including the shape of the back end. My model has this one as the base, with the back end geometry improved, with parts of three other models melded into my repaint, and then I used photos to make the bumpers
I figured I might as well do an alpha build of my repaint rather than the model mentioned by Tektonten. So, I'm learning about how the designer of that model was doing things, which isn't bad, but it always seems odd when you have to partially glue down a part before installing other parts, then finish gluing down the first part. That's the way the base plate is. You have to attach it to the running boards to get the body width correct before gluing the axles, then attach the base ends.
I haven't posted this at PM.com or AirDave's forum because he wants to go back and do one now. He doesn't like to do models that have already been done. He is very unlikely to do one that has several versions available. This is the fourth one that I know of. Dave's Koolwheelz are 95% of the time one-page models. This one is two-pages, so I am not sure if it would make Dave's more unlikely to happen, but I don't want to take a chance
EDIT -- I was talking to Mom this AM and she wanted to know how the model was going. I told her about the base plate, and she said 'How much of it is necessary?'
I got to thinking. A middle piece is necessary, and a nose piece and tail piece would be helpful to maintain shape, but the space where the axles go is just in the way. I'm going to give this more thought today and will probably break it up. It just makes more sense
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Jan 27, 2018 7:16:46 GMT -9
Post by lightning on Jan 27, 2018 7:16:46 GMT -9
I wouldn't worry about half glued piece in the assembly process. Whatever works!
And let's not scare Dave and keep it between us for now ;-) I know what you mean. But I get him. I am the same, when I see someone else is working on something. I might do my version at a later time though. It all depends how much I like that specific model. It's all driven by heart :-)
I have not seen a lot of nice beatle models and that one looks very promising. Keep up the great work!
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Jan 27, 2018 8:07:06 GMT -9
Post by Vermin King on Jan 27, 2018 8:07:06 GMT -9
When I get this worked out, I plan on doing a couple other paint jobs. There aren't very many parts. If I break the base up into three segments (which will also allow more stable geometry of the front and back) I think it is going to be 20 pieces. The original must have been done by a German-speaker. If you look at the template images, you will see the word 'Auspuff' where the exhaust goes. I'm not looking forward to the exhaust. One piece with three tubes ... and no solid place to glue it. By breaking the base into three parts, the front and back will be structural and give a solid point to glue the exhaust, which may get re-designed.
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Post by Vermin King on Jan 27, 2018 11:07:21 GMT -9
I think that this is getting close to the final version This includes an adjustment to the tires. It was such an odd way to do them, with no way to know where to glue the tread ends together. By comparing other wheel assemblies from other models, there is now a tab at the end of one end of each tread to mark the amount of overlap required. I still have to finish the tires of my first print, figure out the exhaust, and see if my bumpers are salvageable at this size. I'll finish it tonight ... probably
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Jan 28, 2018 4:24:18 GMT -9
Post by factoria tabletop on Jan 28, 2018 4:24:18 GMT -9
Very interesting, i didnt know that if i want to make a paper car model i had to made like this. i mean, i was thinking is more like build something from scratch...but i see that geometry is important here.
How do you know if everything is going to fix in the end¿? there is a logic or just try and try?
beatiful work Verming king,thanks for sharing!
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Post by Vermin King on Jan 28, 2018 5:45:19 GMT -9
Experience building models and doing some design work lets me see glaring errors and places that may not be best. When it comes to models, you will never fix everything. Every model will have some errors in it. The goal is to get a model with minimal errors that a slightly below-average builder will have an acceptable model when finished. Some designers create 'Builders Models'. Those are for above-average builders who want extra detail and want to have correct curve to the panels, and know how to handle extra seams. That's not what is needed here. My goal for this is to make a reasonably easy build that when you sit the model on the shelf, people that see it will know what it is and be delighted that it is made of paper. I probably should have just worked on fixing this easy one It actually had the cloth sunroof, but the stripes are messed up, the wheels are wrong, it has VW logos (which Volkswagen wouldn't allow in the first movie), the bumpers are wrong, the running boards have too much curve, side windows don't have the 'vent window', etc. But it should build to an 'acceptable' model that folks would recognize. It does have a better back end, and it wouldn't be hard to fix the pointy fenders, I think When I finish this model, I might do a repaint of this second one to make it a little more correct. It would probably be more like what would be needed in this community. Our forum usually wants to have something that looks good on the table as simple as possible. Other builders want their models to be more solid and to capture the appearance of the original closer. Neither is wrong. It's a matter of designing something that looks good on a table or on a shelf
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Post by lightning on Jan 28, 2018 7:45:59 GMT -9
While it may be a very satisfying experience to build a thoroughly detailed model of something, I usually like the looks-good-builds-fast approach myself This rendition of Herbie looks great to me and I wouldn't be surprised if I see it in one of okumarts battle reports soon!
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Post by okumarts on Jan 28, 2018 8:22:19 GMT -9
One thing I've been doing instead of making wheels out of paper is using black foamcore and pasting the wheel bit on it. I'm lazy.
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Jan 28, 2018 8:40:06 GMT -9
Post by Vermin King on Jan 28, 2018 8:40:06 GMT -9
Funny you should mention wheels. That's where I stalled on the actual build. Cut out and figured out the issue of how much overlap is required.
And then I got distracted.
Locally available black foamcore is black paper on white foam.
I keep seeing more and more issues with the simple version, and it brings up a good point on mine ... no front trunk release handle.
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Jan 28, 2018 11:02:30 GMT -9
Post by Punkrabbitt on Jan 28, 2018 11:02:30 GMT -9
While it may be a very satisfying experience to build a thoroughly detailed model of something, I usually like the looks-good-builds-fast approach myself Totally me. Totally.
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Jan 28, 2018 11:05:00 GMT -9
Post by Punkrabbitt on Jan 28, 2018 11:05:00 GMT -9
One thing I've been doing instead of making wheels out of paper is using black foamcore and pasting the wheel bit on it. I'm lazy. I cut out a wheel front as best I can with scissors, go down to the dollar store, and buy a toy car with wheels close to the appropriate size. Usually. Sometimes the wheels are just a part of the side of the model, and I just leave it there.
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Jan 28, 2018 11:11:21 GMT -9
Post by Punkrabbitt on Jan 28, 2018 11:11:21 GMT -9
Vermin King , how hard would it be for you to recolor the easy-build Herbie to an even, consistent Field Grey (a la WWII early war German vehicles) or Dark Yellow (a la WWII late war German Vehicles) for use as WWII scenery? I would do it mysef but I kind of suck at this kind of thing ^ Field Grey sample ^Dark Yellow sample EDIT: I am going to try it myself, it doesn't look too difficult...
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Post by Vermin King on Jan 28, 2018 12:58:24 GMT -9
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Jan 28, 2018 15:53:24 GMT -9
Post by Vermin King on Jan 28, 2018 15:53:24 GMT -9
Here is the corrected regular version and the easy-build repaint @coyotepunc, I have a bit of a bug again, so I'm going to work on your repaints
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Jan 28, 2018 18:16:07 GMT -9
Post by Vermin King on Jan 28, 2018 18:16:07 GMT -9
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Jan 28, 2018 18:39:40 GMT -9
Post by Punkrabbitt on Jan 28, 2018 18:39:40 GMT -9
Ermmm... that was amazingly fast o.0
Thank you.
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Jan 28, 2018 18:57:11 GMT -9
via mobile
Post by Punkrabbitt on Jan 28, 2018 18:57:11 GMT -9
Vermin King, do you know if that is a specific scale? It seems 1/32 to me.
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Jan 28, 2018 19:01:45 GMT -9
Post by Vermin King on Jan 28, 2018 19:01:45 GMT -9
I haven't built the EZ Build, but it is a hair larger than the more-involved model. The first one, just looking at it compared to other vehicles looks to be about 1/43, which seems to be a popular scale in Germany. Let me do a little research here, and I should be able to give you a fairly quick answer
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Jan 28, 2018 19:08:13 GMT -9
Post by Vermin King on Jan 28, 2018 19:08:13 GMT -9
The 1964 Beetle had a 94.5 inch wheelbase. The model is 1.75 inches. That works out to 1.85%
1.85% works out to be 1/54
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Jan 28, 2018 19:20:13 GMT -9
Post by Punkrabbitt on Jan 28, 2018 19:20:13 GMT -9
Ah, I was using 94.5" as a total length, not axle-to-axle. My bad! I made a shading template: I might try to do that thing where there are random dark parts over it all too. Not sure if I quite know how to do that yet o.0
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Post by Vermin King on Jan 28, 2018 20:34:19 GMT -9
I am a desecrator of great sci fi ... A Spinner Bug just seems wrong in so many ways
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Jan 28, 2018 22:42:35 GMT -9
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Post by Punkrabbitt on Jan 28, 2018 22:42:35 GMT -9
I am a desecrator of great sci fi ... A Spinner Bug just seems wrong in so many ways I am always building new police stuff for Pinkfluffdoodle IV... usually wheeled. This would fit right in!
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Jan 28, 2018 22:42:55 GMT -9
Post by factoria tabletop on Jan 28, 2018 22:42:55 GMT -9
Awesome!! just loved it thanks for the reply before Verming king!
Glad to stay in this forum, to much inspirational!
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Post by Vermin King on Jan 29, 2018 4:51:34 GMT -9
Still got a bug, so I am Bug-inspired
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