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Post by Dave on Nov 6, 2008 0:40:49 GMT -9
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Post by abaddonwormwood on Nov 6, 2008 2:06:43 GMT -9
I'm so.... Dave you totally rock - now to start downloading (god I hope I have enough toner) Sweet, sweet cardstock fix! Lord Abaddon of Wormwood <Jim you need a happy dance thingie>
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Post by emergencyoverride on Nov 6, 2008 3:05:14 GMT -9
I think the technical term is.....um....ah.....em.....WOW! ;D That is a mighty fine collection of paper goodness. Huzzah!
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Post by Bhoritz on Nov 6, 2008 9:42:07 GMT -9
It is Christmas and you are Santa Claus
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Post by kane on Nov 6, 2008 9:44:11 GMT -9
Interesting. Slight Warhammer bent to his work. They seem a bit small to me, but as long as you don't do interiors, they should be fine. Also, construction of the roof is...odd. Tab on the building AND the roof and they each have texture? Have to puzzle that one over.
That said, they look excellent!
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Post by abaddonwormwood on Nov 6, 2008 10:14:11 GMT -9
I do believe that the tab on the roof is a result of someone (me) asking for a fold under texture that would a) hide the white cardstock roof b) strengthen the roof a little esp. on the edges c) help line up the roof to the body of the building. Kane, Dave the creator of these buildings made them for his Warhammer RPG you can find his main page here. Needless to say that once the community found him I have been bugging him senseless. Now I have to make some little tabs to retro fit my current builds to the basing plates. For someone that has just started in Cardstock building/design - Fracking Unreal! Lord Abaddon of Wormwood
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Post by Dave on Nov 6, 2008 10:24:53 GMT -9
Interesting. Slight Warhammer bent to his work. They seem a bit small to me, but as long as you don't do interiors, they should be fine. Also, construction of the roof is...odd. Tab on the building AND the roof and they each have texture? Have to puzzle that one over. These were designed specifically for Warhammer games. There are some awesome 3D resin or plastic buildings available for Warhammer, but it'd cost a fortune to create a village. I thought these would be a quick and cheap substitute. Really, this is a project that started with a couple of tiny hovels a couple of years ago. This past summer I did some traveling through Europe and saw a lot of these half-timbered Tudor-style houses. I took lots of photos and got inspired. I don't even use miniatures in my Warhammer roleplay games! Most of the buildings are smaller than they should be. As these are meant to be battlefield obstacles (cheap props), I didn't worry about the usefulness of their interiors. Some of the larger designs probably are big enough for interiors on a comfortable scale, though. The roof 'tabs' are designed to be folded under and glued to the unprinted side of the roof. This puts some texture beneath the overhang, so it's not just white under there. The glue-me tabs are on the main walls. I hope assembly on these buildings is pretty self-explanatory. In the next phase of this project I'll post some pictures of the more complicated buildings so you can see where everything's supposed to go. Anyway I hope you enjoy them!
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Post by kane on Nov 6, 2008 15:53:59 GMT -9
The way I am looking at it, it seems that the tabs at the bottom of the building fold under, inside the building when attaching to the base. Is that right? If so, why have a texture on it? Keep up the excellent work! Your texturing is spectacular.
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Post by squirmydad on Nov 6, 2008 16:28:42 GMT -9
I love the style. The one thing I really liked about the warhammer roleplay background is it felt so gritty and dirty ,and a bit like the movie Jabberwocky.
In this frame of mind I noted down some appropriate fantasy careers that I could make figures for. I'll add it to the list that is too long to make, but it will be on the list. JIM
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Post by abaddonwormwood on Nov 6, 2008 17:16:59 GMT -9
Kane, at first I thought the same... and kind of still do but when you think about the tabs under roof lines or buildings sometimes when they (the tabs) do not glue correctly (flush) leaving a white gap showing. The tower in the center of the above picture is a perfect example. Now if this was a textured copy the misglued section would just blend into the background. Same too with the bases. Just starting to work out what to work on first. Thinking the City Gates... ten pages of textured goodness. Lord Abaddon of Wormwood
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Post by onemonkeybeau on Nov 6, 2008 20:08:09 GMT -9
;D
Thank you!
I really like the glue-under tabs on the roofs!
Looking forward to what you have for us next!
onemonkeybeau
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Post by old squirmydad on Nov 6, 2008 20:12:20 GMT -9
I didn't have a problem with the roof tabs, roofs shouldn't be flush anyways and the eves make for a nice natural shadow. The first cardstock buildings I ever built were the ones from Fiddlers Green's European Village collection and all of their roofs are like that. Diferent strokes I guess. My daughter has been hiding her Littlest Pet Shop figures inside the buildings as I finish them, hard to say who is enjoying creating a village more.
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Post by abaddonwormwood on Nov 7, 2008 2:13:17 GMT -9
Squirmy, By having the building flush with the roofs I did not mean the edge of the building flush with the edge of the building. What I meant was when the glue tab of the buildings body is joined to the roof sometimes the join is not "flush" and the tab is bowed flashing white cardstock. This in turns brings me back to the alining the roof to the body of the building, when attaching the roof sometimes I find that I am sending the bulk of the roof one end or another. I am hoping that by using the folded edge it might give me a better guide to get the over hang at tad more even.
In a lot of ways I am glad that these don't have internals - mainly due to the fact I am more of a wargamer than a rpger so these lend the feeling with out going down the "looks great but I will never use" path. Also now that Dave has added bases/tiles to the buildings it strengthens them greatly. Upon saying all this the only time I would really feel internals would be needed is Ruins - then I get to gut the suckers!
Lord Abaddon of Wormwood
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Post by magpiestear on Nov 7, 2008 3:43:51 GMT -9
My daughter has been hiding her Littlest Pet Shop figures inside the buildings as I finish them, hard to say who is enjoying creating a village more. Glad to see I'm not the only one with this problem! My daughter has waltzed off with all my WWG long grass bits from pirates cove to use in the animal cages in her toy zoo!!! She love the fact that the animals actuall fit inside so can hide from each other. Her littlest pet shop stuf (and there's loads of it) has also been used with some of my other card stuff, principally the canon craft town I built for use with splatball, and did you know that space marines enjoy tea parties with playmobil figures? Me neither but I lost a squad whilst playing a game and discovered them sat around her arctic explorers camp with food and stuff from her dolls house!! Oh well, I suppose its one way to get her interested in my hobbies. Now where's that copy of fuzzy heroes? Oh by the way Dave I'm lovin these buildings. They are really good. I'm busy building these in my lunch breaks, I'll post piccies when I can. Thanks for the awesome models!! Mags
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Post by Dave on Nov 7, 2008 13:24:55 GMT -9
Ah, the old textured tabs debate. I didn't know if people were going to be modding these designs -- maybe creating multi-level buildings using them or whatever. I figured if there's a chance that someone might want a texture on those bottom tabs, for any reason, it was better to put them on there. Also, I'm pretty sloppy with the hobby knife and scissoring. I might miss a line by a few millimeters, and those textured tabs make up for my laziness.
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Post by brynbrenainn on Nov 8, 2008 0:14:42 GMT -9
I for one think the idea is great. So I am on your side of the fence.
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Post by abaddonwormwood on Nov 8, 2008 0:50:17 GMT -9
Dave, Page 8/10 City Gate.
In the section that states "discard" I should also cut along that base line and score upwards on the right edge of that section to make a new face for the building?
This one could do with a finished picture on page 11 for reference. At this point I am using your photos from the other thread.
All in all it is a very clever design. I have done two now with the bases and they come up nice and rock solid.
Lord Abaddon of Wormwood
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Post by josedominguez on Nov 8, 2008 9:46:41 GMT -9
What size should I be printing the outhouses at? I've built 3 taverns and my models desperately need the toilet...... they just don't fit
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Post by magpiestear on Nov 8, 2008 13:03:47 GMT -9
And I thought it was just me. I disabled fit to printable area and the outhouses came out looking a little on the small side. I'll try on Monday with fit to print size on and see if that makes a difference.
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Post by Dave on Nov 8, 2008 13:06:00 GMT -9
Print the outhouses at 100%! I designed these to fit on US letter-sized sheets, leaving a tiny white border all around. A4 sheets are narrower and might cut off a little bit. You might get some sheets resized (expanded or shrunk to fit) with your default printer settings. For instance the tavern roofs were too small until I told Acrobat Reader to quit resizing. For the City Gate (which is the most complicated design I've attempted) -- You want to get rid of the white bit that says 'Discard' obviously. Then cut up along that short vertical line separating those small tabs. Score along the backs of those tabs because you'll be folding those forward. They're going to be support for the long lower roof. Does that help?
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Post by abaddonwormwood on Nov 8, 2008 13:17:41 GMT -9
That's all clear but it is the fact that you need to cut through the whole section at the base of the discard, not just the white section. What I mean it you need to make it clearer that that section of the building becomes one of the faces of the tower and does not stay facing the same direction as the rest of that page.
There is nothing wrong with it, just a tad unclear as there is not cut through this line with the two arrows showing what section.
Lord Abaddon of Wormwood
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Post by moloch on Nov 8, 2008 22:02:24 GMT -9
Wow, I love your textures. They are some of the best I've seen.
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Post by josedominguez on Nov 11, 2008 9:19:18 GMT -9
I'm going to need a bigger house. And my house is pretty big. I thought paper modelling was the solution to my storage problems, but it's actually worse as there's more cool stuff and I can get it finished quicker than lead. One thing I've always wanted was themed scenery that matched the armies on the board. Sorted
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Post by hackbarth on Nov 11, 2008 9:37:45 GMT -9
Just fantastic mind blowing stuff!!! I may just doubled the amount of buildings to print and mount now. Where I'll put these?
Put the links to these in your webpage (nice webpage btw.) so that I can refer them to my friends and share the load of making so many props...
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Post by magpiestear on Nov 11, 2008 13:06:42 GMT -9
Hackbarth, why not refer your friends here and get them to join the forum, you never know they might be persuaded to get Jims stuff too!
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Post by Dave on Nov 11, 2008 15:51:50 GMT -9
I can totally sympathize with the storage problem. Page 8/10 City Gate... In the section that states "discard" I should also cut along that base line and score upwards on the right edge of that section to make a new face for the building? That's right. But I'm sure you've figured it out already. (Better late than never, hey?) You might've also noticed that you have a choice of ways to orient the highest roof, depending on where you paste the small triangular wall sections. Tonight's game night, but I'm going to try to photograph the whole lot of these this week. Eventually I'll post them on my own site!
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Post by abaddonwormwood on Nov 11, 2008 20:51:00 GMT -9
The Fat Dragon crew has just released the first of three Fantasy town sets - Dave your work eats this for breakfast. I mean yep its good and all but as for external textures .... man you win hands down.
Now all you have to do is pop some internals bundle them up and you could have a very nice corner of the market - keep the shells as freebies and offer the completed ones for sale.
That's the pipe dream of the day.
Lord Abaddon of Wormwood
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Post by kane on Nov 11, 2008 23:15:21 GMT -9
If only we knew of a company who had great figures but no buildings to go with them...hmmmm...
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Post by hackbarth on Nov 12, 2008 10:06:50 GMT -9
Hackbarth, why not refer your friends here and get them to join the forum, you never know they might be persuaded to get Jims stuff too! They don't know enough English and feel intimidated joining a forum to get free stuff. I recommended the One-monk site tough. And will show One-monk freebies and Bhoritz stuff to them on game night tonight.
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Post by onemonkeybeau on Nov 12, 2008 10:13:01 GMT -9
Yes... where have I seen such a place... think, think, think... onemonkeybeau
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