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Post by monstersbtm on Jan 13, 2021 20:58:40 GMT -9
Wait wait wait VK! for the time being palazzo Dario should wait. There is more than a project that you are working on which I really love to see finished, before tackle a new palazzo π
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Post by Vermin King on Jan 14, 2021 3:34:44 GMT -9
You know me well
Well, I am pretty sure I know which printer I want, but when the company's site links to companies that should have it in stock, I will see that it is available for one-day or two-day delivery, but when I go to check out, it is out of stock or temporarily out of stock. Not terribly expensive at $149 at Best Buy or $159 at Office Depot. I did find it at Walmart online for $299. But I don't want to pay double retail price. The search continues.
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Post by Vermin King on Jan 14, 2021 11:52:50 GMT -9
As I was finishing up the terrace support legs, I discovered an error. Unfortunately my geometry work page was overwritten with parts, so tonight I get to go back and see which horizontal support board is the correct width, so I can wrap that up. I might have time to finish the terrace floor and inner terrace walls. Wish me luck
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Post by Vermin King on Jan 14, 2021 18:47:00 GMT -9
Well, got the Tall Altana done, but it won't fit in the space on the Tall Roof pages All the geometry checks out, too! The balcony I need under the triple windows on this one will fit in the remaining space on page 2. I might tweak the chimneys to put on the roof page We have a blizzard moving in tonight, so I had thought I might do some in-person printer shopping tonight, but that didn't happen. Meteorologically speaking, a blizzard is a snow of three inches, with sustained winds of 30 mph and gusts over 45 mph for three hours with 1/4 mile visibility or less. So barely a blizzard, but nasty enough. Since I won't be going anywhere tomorrow night, I should get the balcony done
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Post by Vermin King on Jan 15, 2021 6:31:05 GMT -9
Found an image of one of those railings that go at the bottom of windows that looks like a balcony that I am trying to clean up. I have a balcony railing I am satisfied with, but this one could be so much nicer. It was from an advertisement for 'terracotta' railings. Looks like stone to me. Or maybe they used terracotta for some of these and it looks like stone. Not a rabbit trail I want to go down just now. This one was used as an almost balcony. They had flower pots behind the railing and on top of the posts. Being an advertising photo, it looks as if they used photoshop to make it squared up. At this point, I just have it at the bottom of the page for the advanced version of the canal front. I should be able to finish it over lunch
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Post by Vermin King on Jan 15, 2021 10:58:38 GMT -9
Almost finished it over lunch, but not quite. It will not convert well to a balcony, at least as I envisioned it
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Post by monstersbtm on Jan 15, 2021 11:21:32 GMT -9
You speeded up your design significantly! That altana is really good. I will probably ask for instructions to build all this nice stuff. Maybe something like you did for the bragozzo π (I know, I'm spoiled and demanding π)
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Post by Vermin King on Jan 15, 2021 11:42:55 GMT -9
I don't know how speedy that is. I have had a lot of thinking on this for a long time, starting from the development of the roof work page. It also is not a model of an existing structure, so that takes less time.
I do have some build photos in the thread here of the shallow roof version. The altana should be a fairly straightforward build. I plan on going to my folks this weekend and on my way down, I planned on going by Office Depot, Best Buy and Staples to see what they do have available for printers. I really don't want to have to go through and overlay parts digitally on the photos again, if I can avoid it
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Post by Vermin King on Jan 15, 2021 15:18:36 GMT -9
Working towards the goal of ... Hmmm, I didn't realize that this is the southwest corner of Ca Dario
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Post by Vermin King on Jan 16, 2021 9:10:56 GMT -9
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Post by Vermin King on Jan 17, 2021 12:16:31 GMT -9
My experiment in making my 'b' version of the canal side grungier was not acceptable to me, and I didn't want to have just a purple-pinkish color scheme for both, so I created a new texture. When I put it into the parts, I was fairly pleased with it. I was also looking at the parts layout. By reducing the model to 90% of the original size, this allows the passage parts fit on a single page now Once I get the balcony worked out, I will now have more space to accomodate them
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Post by Vermin King on Jan 17, 2021 19:56:44 GMT -9
I really need to get that printer
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Post by aleks on Jan 18, 2021 7:07:14 GMT -9
At first look, I thought it was a photoedit for your creation. I made a little search, Palazzo Dario bears an "obscure" fame linkand a beautiful facade...
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Post by Vermin King on Jan 18, 2021 7:26:26 GMT -9
If you do a search on it, many sites mention the Latin engraving on the basement. Turns out it is in gigantic letters on the lowest floor of the building. Just under the round windows. This gentleman may have been a little full of himself. This really wouldn't be a difficult model design, now that I have a method on doing balconies. I especially like the little wing that sticks out the back I wouldn't make the whole thing. I would shorten the sides.
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Post by monstersbtm on Jan 18, 2021 22:16:37 GMT -9
This stuff about palazzo Dario is amazing! I love to read such thrilling stories. (vk, stay focused! ππ You shall resist the temptation and finish sotoportego San Antonio!). Another great place full of ghosts stories is Poveglia Island. I wish to visit that place sooner or later
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Post by Vermin King on Jan 19, 2021 5:23:15 GMT -9
I really just need to tweak the chimneys for the tall roof and this is done. Would have had it done by now, except I had the first part of $6913 worth of dental work done yesterday. And yes, it really, really hurt EDIT -- I had forgotten the Venetian name of an architectural feature that I could put into some of the open space on the pages, and as I was going through my Research links, found this again. Some folks might find a 1903 history of Venice interesting, www.gutenberg.org/files/41209/41209-h/41209-h.htm
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Post by monstersbtm on Jan 19, 2021 11:10:45 GMT -9
Ouch vk, that dental care hurts in a lot of ways..
The other structure you are looking for is maybe the liagΓ²? It's the overhanging window.
Your link unfortunately seems to be broken π
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Post by Vermin King on Jan 19, 2021 11:31:04 GMT -9
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Post by Vermin King on Jan 21, 2021 10:31:53 GMT -9
Haven't done much on this, other than some changes to the chimneys and making the tall roof chimney base lately. Moved things around on pages and started numbering parts. Then I decided I needed to have a page showing the different options available The 'balcinetta' is included on the page 2 options with the three windows as an option. You can leave it off or use the balcony. From an organization standpoint, it is starting to come together
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Post by Vermin King on Jan 21, 2021 18:17:15 GMT -9
Decided to do another end wall.
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Post by Vermin King on Jan 23, 2021 7:41:42 GMT -9
After my fruitless search for a printer yesterday, I got to work on the shallow roof altana. Much more difficult than the tall roof version. It should look like the terrace frame extends into the roof slightly. It sits so low, I won't need to have an underneath panel under the terrace. But I will need to add a panel under the tall altana terrace. Not likely anyone would see it, but the chances are higher. On my build, I was planning on just gluing a piece of backer board underneath, but when I do get it built, I want to build it as others might.
I am starting to see this as multiple models with swappable parts.
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Post by Vermin King on Jan 24, 2021 19:25:44 GMT -9
Now that I have a printer, I will make a couple versions of this guy this week. I printed off the first five pages tonight, once I got through the tedious printer set-up and got the paper feed working.
One thing I did not mention is that the altana can just sit on the roof, if you don't want to glue it. Still have to finish the altana for the shallow roof, and I want to add an optional liagΓ²
And then I really want to do a miniature Ca Dario. BTW, it is one of the buildings designed by Lombardo. Pietro Lombardo did some really interesting architecture
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Post by Vermin King on Jan 25, 2021 4:42:23 GMT -9
I imagine I feel like theater goers seeing The Wizard of Oz the first time. When the movie goes from black and white to color.
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Post by monstersbtm on Jan 25, 2021 10:40:22 GMT -9
Glad you eventually found a suitable printer. Quite an ordeal, wasn't it? About your sotoportego : do you plan to release the whole set as you did with your bragozzo? That was crazy good. Ca Dario would be an amazing project, I'm sure about it!
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Post by Vermin King on Jan 25, 2021 12:20:18 GMT -9
I am arranging the pages and parts numbering so that the builder can substitute pages to produce similar, but different builds of the model. Hopefully, I will have it done by the end of the month so I can move on to one of the other projects.
With what I learned from this project, I think I could develop a Ca Dario in short order, but I really want to get back to San Zan.
But I need to finish the sotoportego building first
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Post by Vermin King on Jan 25, 2021 18:40:14 GMT -9
And all I got done tonight was scoring, cutting and edging. Need to take lots of photos of the build to be used as 'instructions', or else I would start gluing tonight I think it looks rather pretty. I'll layer the extra chimney face to a piece of scrap and glue it over the chimney on the building. The 'balcinetta' can be glued at the base of the lower triple windows, but I will probably use the balcony on this one.
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Post by Vermin King on Jan 26, 2021 7:15:37 GMT -9
Between calls today, went back and worked on the altana for the shallow roof. I plan on building this so that I can show the various options. So I will be showing with tall roof, short roof and altane for each. As there are questions on using the mod I did of the glennwilliams Venice High Bridge, I will also be showing how to use the template for that. I am reasonably confident I can have all this done by the end of the month
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Post by glennwilliams on Jan 26, 2021 7:44:27 GMT -9
Stunningly gorgeous model.
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Post by Vermin King on Jan 26, 2021 8:11:32 GMT -9
Thank you, sir. That means a lot to me. Before I have lunch, I want to prepare parts to have some setting time before I go back to work on this Glued part 1 to 2 to 3, and went ahead and closed up 4, the passage. I think it will be easier for the builder to close it up to begin with When I glue long tabs like this, I use that yellow plastic thing to smooth down the glued tab. After checking alignment, I then let it dry under weight EDIT -- While letting those parts dry, I printed out the short roof and the tall roof On the tall roof version, this gives four chimneys. I still have to figure out what to do with chimneys for the short roof version
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Post by Vermin King on Jan 26, 2021 10:25:13 GMT -9
I think I have the altane done. There is a page of tall roof parts and a page of short roof parts and the second page works with both Page 2 is the inner platform and the balcony. As much as I would like to add the liagΓ², I don't have a great place to put it. As far as constructing the altana, there is a reason I did not do parts ONE and TWO as a fold-over. The tab at the top of part three folds over the top of part two. Part one is then glued to part two, sandwiching that top tab. The upright tabs on part three are glued normally to part two. If you don't want to have 3d supports, leave the corner legs, but anything with a red 'cut' line could be cut off EDIT -- I mentioned above that I was building the passage together first and gluing to the canal face. To me, this seems more difficult. On the first build, I glued the front of the passage to the back of the canal face, and then let it dry in a big book. Having tried both ways, I would do the gluing it flat method. I was looking for something to fit in there to hold things flat and found that I had a pair of needle-nose pliers that could do the job Next up is gluing the side tabs to the inside of the building, then I can set it aside to work on the roofs which have been scored, but not cut out, yet
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