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Post by Dave on Nov 16, 2010 2:50:43 GMT -9
Here's my rough test of a river barge, which will probably be my next boat model.  I'm planning to put a lift-away roof on the cabin, and I'll make sure there's some furniture in there. Tomorrow I'll try to figure out a full-scale version of this with clean lines, and print off a real paper test instead of this crude mockup. |
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Post by old squirmydad on Nov 16, 2010 8:18:41 GMT -9
The mock-up is so crude it can't even be shown.  |
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Post by mruseless on Nov 16, 2010 8:39:44 GMT -9
Looks nice!
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Post by old squirmydad on Nov 16, 2010 10:12:36 GMT -9
Looks good, I see river gypsies making homes out of these.  |
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Post by afet on Nov 16, 2010 11:16:11 GMT -9
This looks great, Dave. I would love it if this barge could be built symmetrically, without the cabin, with the prow and stern the same. In fact the hull could be symmetrical, with the cabin made to look built onto the hull.
I think it's fantastic that you're filling this much neglected niche in the market.
PS. I deleted my post about the image not showing.
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Post by Dave on Nov 16, 2010 11:17:36 GMT -9
I made this model at about half of the intended size. I've just measured my little model and doubled the dimensions, and I'll use those numbers to start my actual line-work. So this boat is big enough that it would probably need a two crew members on deck at all times. The cabin should have room for a bunk or two, so they can sleep in shifts and maybe find something to eat in the cupboards. There won't be a lot of excitement in there, but I'll make sure there's an inch-wide corridor.
Anyway, the idea of a little gypsy trader (I guess you can't use the word gypsy anymore) is really cool, too. I could scale my rough model up maybe just 150% and it might make a funky house boat. That's one to put in my pocket.
Enough typing. I should be drawing lines.
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Post by Dave on Nov 16, 2010 11:21:46 GMT -9
I would love it if this barge could be built symmetrically, without the cabin, with the prow and stern the same. In fact the hull could be symmetrical, with the cabin made to look built onto the hull. Can you grab me some images of these sorts of boats? It sounds easy to do but I could use some inspiration for them. |
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Post by afet on Nov 16, 2010 12:15:27 GMT -9
I would love it if this barge could be built symmetrically, without the cabin, with the prow and stern the same. In fact the hull could be symmetrical, with the cabin made to look built onto the hull. Can you grab me some images of these sorts of boats? It sounds easy to do but I could use some inspiration for them. It has been very hard to find an image, as most of them are either of massive modern barges or old style barges converted into pleasure boats. www.raingod.com/angus/Gallery/Photos/Asia/China/Guangdong/images/GuangzhouBoat01.jpgwww.solarnavigator.net/barges.htmI love the cabin ideas you've already come up with for this barge or scow. The only change needed is to have cabin fit into the hull. You might consider having an area behind the cabin where the crew can stand, maneuver, cast off, etc. |
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Post by Tommygun on Nov 16, 2010 14:37:26 GMT -9
Afet, are you talking about these types of canal boats? Attachments:
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Post by afet on Nov 16, 2010 14:45:34 GMT -9
Afet, are you talking about these types of canal boats? Yes, that's close to what I had in mind. These erie barges assume a central keel rather than a flat bottom. Unless I'm mistaken, what Dave is proposing, with it's flat bow, is actually a scow. |
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Post by cobra on Nov 16, 2010 23:13:55 GMT -9
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Post by Tommygun on Nov 16, 2010 23:28:33 GMT -9
Here is a scow schooner Attachments:
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Post by Tommygun on Nov 16, 2010 23:29:27 GMT -9
And here too Attachments:
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Post by afet on Nov 17, 2010 9:34:17 GMT -9
Dave,
were you planning on having cargo options for this one? I was thinking that you could easily make up longer narrower versions of the lumber piles (too long to transport by wagon), that could be set on either side of the mast.
Another possibility would be to make a removable canvas canopy for over the deck, to cover the goods. This would provide the possibility in game play for hiding the true contents of the barge (illegal goods, mercenaries, etc.).
Cheers,
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Post by kiladecus on Nov 17, 2010 10:55:45 GMT -9
WOW! I can't wait for these.
I am floored by how quickly you can produce such fine work so quickly!
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Post by afet on Dec 13, 2010 10:21:55 GMT -9
Dave, is this model on the back burner for now, or can we expect it to be released in the next few weeks?
Cheers,
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Post by Dave on Dec 13, 2010 11:04:09 GMT -9
Tough to say. I didn't get much beyond a rough mock-up for this boat before I got whisked away. I don't know that I'll get back to this before the end of the year, but I might wake up one morning with the whole thing worked out in my head and do it.
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Post by afet on Dec 13, 2010 11:46:35 GMT -9
Tough to say. I didn't get much beyond a rough mock-up for this boat before I got whisked away. I don't know that I'll get back to this before the end of the year, but I might wake up one morning with the whole thing worked out in my head and do it. I'll take that as a definite indication of the plausibility of the possible completion of this model in a future that may or may not be excessively distant. |
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Post by Dave on Dec 13, 2010 13:32:30 GMT -9
Two internet weeks.
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Post by Tommygun on Dec 13, 2010 16:57:38 GMT -9
That's about 10 minutes right? |
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Post by BilliamBabble Inked Adventures on Dec 17, 2010 1:04:10 GMT -9
I'm planning to put a lift-away roof on the cabin, and I'll make sure there's some furniture in there. If you do continue with this I think that the lift-away roof is a brilliant idea. For FRPGs It would make a great ship for a small party of adventurers, or just a cool meeting place in an adventure. There's something strangely exciting about being able to switch from the exterior world to the interior world in one move. A selection of sail decals/motifs would be cool for armies/allegiances. A perfect boat for archers or maybe even a ballista (sp?) The shape is wonderfully evocative of Middle-East to Oriental settings as well. Junka (sp?) Pirates! |
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Post by afet on Dec 17, 2010 5:03:36 GMT -9
I would love to see removable cargo covers (tarps) as well. These could be used to hide/reveal troops, brigands, monsters, strange cargo, etc. Surprise revelations make for great game play.
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Post by afet on Jul 12, 2011 8:43:54 GMT -9
Hi, Dave. Are you still hoping to finish this river trader, or is has it been taken off the books?
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Post by Dave on Jul 12, 2011 11:35:10 GMT -9
No immediate plans to get back to this one. Or maybe plans should be italicized. I love boats, but I don't love designing curved surfaces in paper. Some day I'll resolve this conflict.
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Post by stevelortz on Jul 12, 2011 12:37:02 GMT -9
This model reminds me of the boat Lewis and Clark used to travel up the Missouri River.
I can just feature an exploratory expedition into unknown fantasy territory! Maybe my dwarven geomancers could use it to plan routes for their steam elemental driven railways!
Have fun!
Steve
Of course, then I'd have to modify it for steam power, but that's easy enough with a few odds and ends from Fat Dragon. Specifically, an iron wood-burning stove from one of the Dragonshire expansion sets. I'll post a couple of pictures after a bit.
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Post by Vermin King on Jul 12, 2011 13:47:08 GMT -9
There is only one way to get good at boats and that is to build boats. I would imagine that you would want to build a few before getting back to this. Knowing how you are with your work ethic, I imagine the time to get a better familiarity with boats would be better off spent on something you are already very good at.
I would like to see more boats, with your style and textures, but is it worth your time? Only you can answer that.
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Post by Dave on Jul 12, 2011 19:13:52 GMT -9
I think it is worth the time. The Patrol Boat and Smuggler's Rowboat have been about as successful as I could hope for (well, I can always hope for more) so I think there's a significant interest in boat models.
The design of the River Trader actually avoids much of what made the Patrol Boat so difficult and resulted in the bowed floor plate. I think I got stalled working on the cabin. I wanted to make sure there were walkways on either side of the cabin so minis could travel from the bow to the stern without walking through the cabin, and having to create 1" wide walkways threw off the dimensions in a bad way. Basically, there's no way to keep the boat any narrower than about 4", which means the length will have to be more than a standard sheet of paper. I didn't like the idea of using two sheets of paper to create the floor piece, but I think if I divided it at the position of the mast I could hide that seam pretty well.
Nice way to get me thinking about this model again, Afet! I can't promise that I'll get back to work on it any time soon, but just having the ideas swimming around in my head increases the chances.
Right now I'm in Evil Corporate mode. I have about four other models in development, none of which are particularly near to completion. (The Gallows is closest.) It might be a little while before I'm free to dedicate the long hours it takes to texture these up, or think about designing anything new.
If you're wondering -- I'm currently focused on behind-the-scenes stuff trying to grow my business and establish partnerships with wargaming websites. I've got something special in the works for Beasts of War, and I'm transferring files to two more webstores that will be carrying my stuff. I'm also thinking about getting a Pathfinder RPG license and start producing models for that setting. That could be big for me.
So there's a lot of emailing and spreadsheeting going on, and not so much Photoshop. But I can't stay away from Photoshop too long!
I'm also considering a move out of this blazing hellhole called the Coachella Valley. I just don't know where I want to move to. I can go anywhere in the USA that has broadband internet and isn't a city (because I hate living in cities). I'd like to live someplace with some natural beauty, that doesn't get too snowy in winter and doesn't get too hot in summer, and preferably an active gaming scene. Any ideas?
I thought about moving to St. Paul, Minnesota, since that's where Fantasy Flight Games is located. They're expanding fast and furious, and I think the chances are good that I could land a job with them and get some real experience in the hobby gaming industry. But it gets cold in Minnesota. Real cold. Not sure I could handle that.
I'm thinking more like the suburbs of Portland, Oregon or Salt Lake City. Somewhere in northern Arizona might work for me. I'm from the west so I think I'd like to stay somewhere in the west.
So there's a lot on my mind, a lot of opportunities to make a change and try something new, and most of those ideas are way bigger than 28mm scale. Only temporarily, though.
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Post by Vermin King on Jul 12, 2011 19:45:53 GMT -9
Holy Moley you have a lot on your plate.
I can tell you places I'd never live again, but it seems that everything you want will never be in one place, and every place has its own drawbacks. But honestly, I've never lived in a place that didn't have its own charms.
If you can handle Minneapolis winters, you are a braver man than I. Make sure you get an engine core heater and an extension cord.
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Post by Dave on Jul 12, 2011 20:40:30 GMT -9
I'm not too picky about where I live, really. Where I am now is a little desert town, and I'm sure people who drive past it think, "Who in their right mind would live here?" But you get that cable TV hooked up, put some groceries in the fridge, set up a bookcase of the things you love -- and you're home.
I think what I'll do is draw a circle with a 500 mile radius around my town and see if anyplace interesting falls within it. I can drive a rental truck that far in a day.
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Post by nikloveland on Jul 13, 2011 7:35:53 GMT -9
I'm also considering a move out of this blazing hellhole called the Coachella Valley. I just don't know where I want to move to. I can go anywhere in the USA that has broadband internet and isn't a city (because I hate living in cities). I'd like to live someplace with some natural beauty, that doesn't get too snowy in winter and doesn't get too hot in summer, and preferably an active gaming scene. Any ideas? ... I'm thinking more like the suburbs of Portland, Oregon or Salt Lake City. Somewhere in northern Arizona might work for me. I'm from the west so I think I'd like to stay somewhere in the west. Hey! Come to SLC! The winters do get a bit much (especially here north of Salt Lake) but the skiing is great! They have SaltCON in Febuary (which is nowhere near the size of other conventions but you take what you can get) and depending on the suburb you go to you could get Utopia Broadband (I pay $35 a month for 10Mb/10Mb speeds). You can also buy a townhouse right next door for $100K. Ok, enough of that... I just had to chime in when I saw something about Utah. |
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