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Post by Sirrob01 on Dec 11, 2011 1:52:19 GMT -9
Hey all, need to get a few views on female warriors and mage's etc for something I'm working on. There seems to be two views of thought less armour so more skin is exposed and more realistically armoured. few examples: Less armour More realistic At the moment I'm leaning towards a bit of a mix not the full tin can look but not as bare as the ones above,but I'd appreciate any thoughts etc.
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Post by Rhannon on Dec 11, 2011 4:38:39 GMT -9
It is all correct. There are many thoughts. from the Franzetta's "heroic" fantasy ( and, imho, a bit erotic ) ... To a more realistic medieval dark fantasy ( for example, I think to "A Song of ice and Fire" series) with Brienne In the middle classical fantasy stereotypes. It is fantasy, not historical characters. What you prefer, according to your inspiration, your art, is the one that goes well. I prefer But I love all good figures. With armor or a little 'less armor.
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Post by cowboyleland on Dec 11, 2011 5:02:26 GMT -9
I gotta say, when I see armour that leaves a bare belly or clevage I think "why did she bother?" and "that is one fasion victim who will die for her stupidity." Armour should cover you. Spellcasters or other unarmoured types can wear whatever they like.
Even in your "more armour" examples there is a woman with basically bare thighs and articulated armour boots. Thighs are so much easier to hit (at least dismounted) A foot soldier really doesn't need anything below the knee.
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Post by josedominguez on Dec 11, 2011 5:43:48 GMT -9
It's fantasy, and I for one rarely have any sort of fantasy that involves ladies wearing sensible clothing
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Post by hackbarth on Dec 11, 2011 6:07:19 GMT -9
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Post by Rhannon on Dec 11, 2011 6:13:13 GMT -9
Wow!!! Skyrim!!!! ;D ;D ;D I'm at the beginnin with over 300 hours. But there I play with daedric heavy armor ( for both. Me and my female companion ) [edit] Very interesting site. Thanks. I just saved it in my favorites. I am convinced. A realistic armor can also be beautiful worn by a woman. Now I must go. Skyrim ( and my 360 ) call.
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Post by josedominguez on Dec 12, 2011 13:00:55 GMT -9
Hey, bare naked warrior women also get me going, so it's all good. I just think a bit of nudity should be less worrying than huge amounts of violence. Strange world we live in
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Post by sammo on Dec 12, 2011 13:31:59 GMT -9
There has indeed been many a debate on this subject and I think ultimately it depends on who your audience is. Personally, I got into fantasy with the old sword and sorcery pulp stories, so for me the Frazetta covers are spot on. In fact that is how I prefer my fantasy; to me it is very primal and emphasizes the fantastic. Also I enjoy the idea of women in fantasy being portrayed as the femme fatale, so the explicit sexuality of bikini type armor should be seen as empowering, not demeaning. Of course I am also a regular lecherous guy and as such I like to see scantily clad warrior women, regardless of how inappropriate it seems. If you are shooting for realism, it depends on how real you want to be. Traditionally women weren’t warriors, so those that were would be wearing the same armor as the men (like the images of Brienne). In the end the full armor with a feminine style, like this one Is probably the best bet to appeal to the most people, modest, yet still feminine and it looks like it would offer protection in battle. Of course my vote still would be cast for scantily clad warrior women…
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Post by glennwilliams on Dec 12, 2011 19:00:31 GMT -9
Reminds a bit of Margaret Ball's Order of the Chainmail Bra. I'm as big a fan as any guy over female flesh, but I tend toward the "I don' wann git kilt" school of armor. In Dragon Age my women always ended up with plate and full helmets--no bare midriffs (OK, sorceress and rogue excepted).
If one is to be in combat and does not believe the probability of evading every swipe is 100%, one wants one's precious fleshy bits covered.
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Post by Sirrob01 on Dec 12, 2011 20:17:28 GMT -9
Thanks all for the links, extra pic's and thoughts.
I'll probably split the difference, little more armour on paladins/clerics et al and a little less on mages and barbarians.
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Post by cowboyleland on Dec 13, 2011 6:10:32 GMT -9
Yours seems like a good solution. I know games are largely fantasy, but there is also the "suspension of disbelief" issue. Would a rational being really bother with armour that left the mid-rif uncovered? Why not go no armour at all and take the fatigue/mobility advantage. One of the most egregious examples is one of the pathfinder books. On the back cover there is a woman in armour, but the armour is two solid plates up her sides, completely inhibiting movement while her stomach is open and unprotected. This armour could only have been built by someone who wants her to die and only the threat of something worse than death could have forced her into battle wearing it.
Sorry that got ranty. To reiterate, I like your take.
Edit: I actually got another look at the book tonight. Her belly is actually covered in scalemail. But the solid plates up the side are still stupid and completely counteract the flexability of the mail.
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Post by josedominguez on Dec 13, 2011 7:38:14 GMT -9
If faced with an enemy in full plate with no exposed flesh I would look for weak points in the armour and exploit them. If faced with a young lady clad in thigh high boots and two pan lids I'm not sure I'd be concentrating on tactics........
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Post by cowboyleland on Dec 13, 2011 8:48:16 GMT -9
Until she points her blade at you, then it is easy to concentrate on staying alive. At least, that is my experience.
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Post by josedominguez on Dec 14, 2011 9:09:06 GMT -9
Thank god, it's not just me.
You need to be 18 to see nudity in a film, yet only sixteen to have sex.
You only need to be 15 to see a graphic decapitation in a film, not sure how old you need to be before that's OK to do.
What's more harmful?
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Post by cowboyleland on Dec 14, 2011 10:16:44 GMT -9
I profoundly agree. I'm always trying to get my sons (8 & 13yrs) to relax about nudity and I'm constantly reminding them that violence is only fun if it is make believe. I'm also arguing that if people are going to fight, they should put on armour that works and that sometimes clothing actually manages to conceal nipples. If concealing nipples makes it easier for others to use your figs, why not just do that. Do Okum's "Not Trek" figs look wrong because we can't see nips?
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Post by Sirrob01 on Dec 14, 2011 10:51:15 GMT -9
From a purely technical view, nipples on males or females don't normally poke out through clothing unless the characters freezing cold or feeling amarous at the time. Normally they will sit flat and be totally concealed by clothing, especially if you have more than 1 layer or it's a metal plate ... That's pretty much a straight quote from one of the drawing books I have.
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Post by cowboyleland on Dec 14, 2011 10:59:30 GMT -9
Thank goodness some "expert" wrote it down ;D
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Post by josedominguez on Dec 14, 2011 11:59:43 GMT -9
Batman has uber nips, they poke out through rubber. (Either that or he lost his nips in a bat related incident and has had to have prosthetic ones added to his costume). For God's sake, we spend the first eighteen months of our lives having bobb thrust at us every couple of hours, why is anyone surprised that we end up obsessed I'd rather live in a world with loads of bobb and no violence, thank you very much.
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Post by kiladecus on Dec 14, 2011 15:19:25 GMT -9
I think it all comes down to personal preference. You know how open-minded I am! As with all armor, it has its benefits and drawbacks. Sure, heavy armor protects you, but it slows you down. No armor allows you to be faster and more agile, but offers no protection. Did I mention the first drawing looks just like my wife?
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Post by glennwilliams on Dec 14, 2011 17:30:47 GMT -9
Did I mention the first drawing looks just like my wife? You might want to take that sword away from her!
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Post by cowboyleland on Dec 15, 2011 13:17:20 GMT -9
I was actually toying with doing a female version of this style of armour for the December hoard but then I remembered that I can't draw and I never have anything done on time for the hoards. I do have something I started months ago I could have time to finish if my Christmas shopping goes smoothly.
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Post by Sirrob01 on Dec 15, 2011 20:31:31 GMT -9
Is that some form of Roman breast plate? or possibly greek, appears to be made of copper, although it needs a good polish. I'm sure the museum wouldn't mind.
I thought anatomically correct armour was strictly limited to batman didn't know they bothered in ancient times, tended to be function over form.I'm guessing this is more a dress armour piece than general issue or possible higher up the command structure, do you have any details/info about Sith?
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Post by Rhannon on Dec 15, 2011 23:30:27 GMT -9
Is that some form of Roman breast plate? or possibly greek, appears to be made of copper, although it needs a good polish. I'm sure the museum wouldn't mind. I thought anatomically correct armour was strictly limited to batman didn't know they bothered in ancient times, tended to be function over form.I'm guessing this is more a dress armour piece than general issue or possible higher up the command structure, do you have any details/info about Sith? I think it is a feature of ancient greek and roman bronze armor. From Bronze Age some kind of armors, some muscle cuirass, report nipples. After these periods ( about early/republican romans ) these features ( with with other ornaments ) remain in remain in some ceremonial armors. But my memories can be wrong. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_armouren.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_cuirasswww.metmuseum.org/toah/works-of-art/1992.180.3aIn historical reality ( perhaps in classical mythology or medieval iconography ), however, there aren't female armors. Not muscle, not full plate.
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Post by Sirrob01 on Dec 16, 2011 13:11:32 GMT -9
I have some plans to do some romans and greeks at some point so I'll have to do a bit of careful armour research before doing any drawing. I knew about the standard legionary kit but was un-aware of the more fanciful armouries the higher ups wore (well except the ceasers but I wasn't going to include one of them). Guess if I do do Greeks and Romans I have to Persians and Gauls as well .
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Post by afet on Dec 26, 2011 6:43:56 GMT -9
I agree that fantasy is fantasy; and I realize that the majority of images in fantasy miniatures, art and video games, are designed be males for the male voyeur. But I do find it laughable to have a woman wearing armor that exposes her chest, belly and legs. If a female character is wearing armor, I prefer she not look like a vain idiot. Armor need not cancel femininity: Attachments:
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Post by Sirrob01 on Dec 26, 2011 13:01:46 GMT -9
If I'm not mistaken thats a reaper mini Afet. I've actually been using those as a guide as likewise I've found that their sculptors are very good at giving minis full armour but retaining the underlying femininity of the model.
Although I suspect what I'm trying to do is killing the femaleness anyways....;D
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Post by Parduz on Dec 26, 2011 14:20:55 GMT -9
While we're talking about personal tastes, i'd like to suggest you all a small experiment: take an image of an armoured figure you like, and try to draw the nude body as if you could see thru the armour.... you'll end with some really deformed person What i mean is that every single miniature, from medieval to space marines, are drawn (or sculpted) to look cool, agile and dynamic, no matter if this mean that inside that armour there's place only for a teddy bear So, i don't care about feminine armour type: if the character needs to be more sensual than protected (for theme / story purposes) then i'm fine with chainmail bikinis. I just hate the "sexual hook" when it is not needed (thinking at a lot of the last superhero comics, that to my eyes are drawn that way just to catch the "attention" of the young male teenagers).
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Post by cowboyleland on Dec 26, 2011 16:25:44 GMT -9
I was wondering to what working armour for the female form would look like. I have some friends who actually make armour. And a female friend who had some custom made armour. I'll try to remember to make some inquiries. I suspect that jn full plate with helmets on and visors down the impression would be of fighting someone a little stouter and a little shorter than average.
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Post by kiladecus on Dec 27, 2011 3:27:11 GMT -9
I am reminded of the movie Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves when Maid Marion is reunited with Robin of Locksley and she is wearing the armor. Only after she shrieks at getting her hand burned by the candle flame, does he realize she is a woman.
He removed her helmet, and there she is. I don't know... maybe just have a female head on a regular body... the long flowing hair is really all you need.
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Post by cowboyleland on Dec 27, 2011 4:55:28 GMT -9
Factoid: there is a word in galic I forget how to spell, it something like "gruigeechan" that means "long haired one" it can mean "young girl" or "monster" depending on context. Wise those celts, eh?
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