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Post by Vermin King on Jun 30, 2019 16:16:01 GMT -9
This brought up something I've considered several times, cardboard-warriors.proboards.com/thread/9618/various-papercraft-buildingsTommygun's Sci Fi buildings had me thinking along these lines in the past, but after seeing images of individual dwellings, apartments, subdivisions and office buildings All these things are being done currently, so they can be considered modern, near-future and Sci Fi. Also inspired by Marcos Hidalgo's units, www.toposolitario.com/workshop/index_papermodels.htmlGoing back to Tommygun, cardboard-warriors.proboards.com/thread/3040/modular-scifi-building , cardboard-warriors.proboards.com/thread/2510/first-3d-vehicle , cardboard-warriors.proboards.com/thread/3137/more-scifi-buildings , and cardboard-warriors.proboards.com/thread/2699/habitat-67Even the European projects seem to rely mostly on 20-foot and 40-foot containers, and since 53-foot units will not fit on pages well, I'm going to stick with 20's and 40's. Will not be doing exterior stairs. I think elevators in container units would be appropriate. Now, my big question -- 30mm is supposed to be 30mm to eye-level on a typical 6 foot tall human. I'd like to do this as a true 'scale'. I typically design things between 1/52 and 1/56. These things are almost universally 8.5 feet tall X 8 feet wide, except for cubic containers that are taller (not real sure how making things less square makes them cubic). A 480-inch unit would be 8.57 inches for 1/56. At 1/52, we are looking at 9.23 inches. 9 inches would be 1/53.333. Close enough? That would also make the height 2 inches and the width 1.8 inches
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Post by Punkrabbitt on Jul 2, 2019 8:16:02 GMT -9
9" gives room for tabs. Doo eet!
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Post by Vermin King on Jul 2, 2019 9:04:09 GMT -9
That's what I plan. Working on Snake Truck first, though. I am thinking about doing four basic floor plans -- side by side with flush ends, side by side but staggered, side by side with a central passage, and side by side staggered with central passage . I've seen floor plans based on each of these. Each of them have advantages. I hope to do individual dwellings, apartments/barracks, office/retail. All of these uses are currently being done all around the world. Some glory in the fact that they are based on cargo containers and leave the outsides with logos and hardware. I don't see me going that route, but who knows. It's going to be a while before I get to this, though, so if anyone has ideas to throw at me, go ahead. thechickenwire.chick-fil-a.com/Inside-Chick-fil-A/Video-Watch-Us-Build-A-Chick-fil-A-Out-of-Shipping-Containers
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Post by Vermin King on Jul 4, 2019 9:23:24 GMT -9
I thought I had gotten really lucky this AM when I found this Really thought that since the image was almost square to begin with, and with a similar color palette to what I want for a generic wall, I just jumped right in rather than thorough examination. Moved the corner hook-into rectangles to where they lined up with the rest of the wall, then copied it to a new page and enlarged to 9 inches long, squared it up with a little tweak and started emphasizing the seams and working out my color palette. Made a segment of the outside of the corrugation and the angled and inset sections in the middle and copied and pasted it until I could do a pattern of four of these. Got to the end (except for the partial at the end and started working back from the middle to the other end. Squaring up the outside of the image did not square up the inside, and the segments became narrower. Razzum frazzum. Well, at least I have a plan for starting over. I chose this neutral shade so that the black window frames and gray windows will stand out, as will architectural accent pieces. Oh, well, it's a short shift tonight, so I might have this wall done tonight. Possibly even the end caps and roof. The roof will be covered with solar panels and skylights. EDIT -- Oops, the image above also had most of the writing removed before I saved it. I wasn't THAT lucky
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Post by Vermin King on Jul 4, 2019 17:04:24 GMT -9
I think I can make this work
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Post by Vermin King on Jul 5, 2019 8:34:34 GMT -9
As many of these structures either use the cargo doors for visual interest, or shutters for windows, or access to storage, or in the case of apartments, retail and office units, dividers between the apartments, stores or offices, I thought I should come up with a good set of doors. It would also be handy to have in case someone just wanted to build a cargo container (duh). The first door looked like an obvious choice (greyish tan), but it needed to be enlarged, which made the fixtures fuzzy. It also had flat panels on the doors which isn't very interesting, so now I am working on another end piece that would be a better color fit to the unit I plan on using my lunar module color scheme. Also it is from an 'extra wide' unit. I didn't realize that there were that many of those in use. I don't see how they would work well for truck hauling, but there is a modular container architect in Texas and another in London that use these exclusively. The normal 8-foot wide units don't give much space for rooms. I think this will work a lot better.
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Post by Vermin King on Jul 6, 2019 5:12:29 GMT -9
Well, when I got back from the hospital last night, I wasn't feeling like going straight to bed Getting there. I kept a copy of the blue-gray end for the LEM color scheme version
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Post by cowboyleland on Jul 6, 2019 6:21:12 GMT -9
Hospital?
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Post by Vermin King on Jul 6, 2019 6:55:22 GMT -9
Got off work last night and called my folks and was told my favorite uncle was in the hospital just down the street undergoing emergency bypass surgery. So, I went over and sat with my aunt until 11 PM. And on my way home I got rear-ended. No visible damage to the car (we were stopped at a light and the Mercedes behind me jumped the gun when the left turn signal turned green), but my neck is more than a nuisance this AM.
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Post by cowboyleland on Jul 6, 2019 9:10:44 GMT -9
OK. Take care of yourself and best wishes for your aunt and uncle.
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Post by Vermin King on Jul 6, 2019 17:45:34 GMT -9
My uncle is lucky to be alive. After the surgery last night, the surgeon was talking to the family. It was his night off, but when he saw the images, he told them to get my uncle ready, he'd be right in. Said he was praying the entire drive in that Terry would still be alive when he got there.
Terry was actually looking much better than I expected when I went to see him tonight
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Post by Vermin King on Jul 7, 2019 10:32:08 GMT -9
Okay, I have the container side, the top/bottom, and the end with/without doors. Still need to do the top with solar panels and skylights, but I was curious if anyone had a preference for what type of building to do first. Individual housing units, multi-story housing, apartments, office, office complex, storage, or retail. I have also been collecting examples of windows and doors. I'm also half tempted to do a TommyGun version using his windows and doors.
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Post by Punkrabbitt on Jul 7, 2019 11:04:28 GMT -9
I stop paying attention for a day...
I am happy that your uncke is doing better!
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Post by Vermin King on Jul 7, 2019 17:05:55 GMT -9
I think I am happy with the solar panel and skylight roof texture I need to decide if I am going to have the two cargo units staggered or even ... hmmm EDIT-- They have a tendency to use sections of the corrugated metal to look like wainscoting under a chair rail, but I'm not convinced I want to go that direction. And I think I'll be quirky like some of the architects and leave the doors on one end Still haven't decided if this one will be staggered or flush ...
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Post by Vermin King on Jul 8, 2019 9:23:05 GMT -9
Decided to do a staggered double wide 40-foot single family. Reworked the windows and traded out the wainscote for brick. Added tabs. Decided to not use a floor, but have tabs that fold inwards to help keep things square. I will probably add a spreader for the lower middle to help keep things square. Tonight, I will do variations of my new windows on the side walls.
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Post by Vermin King on Jul 8, 2019 17:34:10 GMT -9
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Post by Vermin King on Jul 9, 2019 3:45:28 GMT -9
I'm going to do the flush ends version of this next, but after that I'm not sure if I'm doing apartments or offices EDIT -- Another thing I am thinking of switching out is going to 30-foot boxes. Not common in real life, but I think aesthetically, it will look more correct. I suppose to make it 'more likely', I could do a 10-meter box, 32.81 feet. 7.57 inches long for the models. If I go 7.5 inches long, that would work out to 9.91 meters for 1/52 scale As I look at photos of the Apartment complexes, an odd thing comes up. On the ground level, there is almost always storage with chain link fencing and gates. Mine will have 20-foot boxes sideways under the stacks of apartments. If there are three double wide units in a stack, each could have a storage unit below. I just think it makes sense to do them this way, even though they don't do it that way in real life
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Post by squirmydad on Jul 9, 2019 5:47:04 GMT -9
I just think it makes sense to do them this way, even though they don't do it that way in real life In this case you are the Architect so reality must bend to your will.
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Post by Vermin King on Jul 9, 2019 6:58:10 GMT -9
Crud! When I made the flush-end version, it doesn't look 'wrong' for the proportions. Too much to do today to think too hard on it. I honestly did not realize that doing the offset containers would create such an illusion of length. It really isn't THAT much longer. Hmmm Looks less like a residence than an office in an industrial park, doesn't it...
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Post by Vermin King on Jul 9, 2019 10:45:17 GMT -9
I was working on some Strip Mall doors and windows. I think next up will be the Industrial Park Office
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Post by Vermin King on Jul 10, 2019 5:34:15 GMT -9
Should have finished up the Industrial Park Office last night, but instead, I made up my 10-meterish (7.5 inch) box, and was curious how that would compare to... To do a comparison, I had to square things up Sure looks like this was based off 10-meter boxes to me
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Post by Vermin King on Jul 10, 2019 18:06:54 GMT -9
Unfortunately, the 7.5 inch unit involved some 'shrinking' of the textures, so the textures aren't very clean. I have to clean it up before progressing on the townhouses. So, I did the Industrial Park Office instead. EDIT -- I never built this, but squirmydad did
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Post by Vermin King on Jul 11, 2019 6:07:14 GMT -9
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Post by Vermin King on Jul 11, 2019 19:11:38 GMT -9
Starting to come together In the architect's proposal image, it appears they have a 20-footer sideways at the back of the garage, but the garage itself might be some other construction method, like concrete covered in large composite tiles. I'm thinking that I will do the composite tiles over double-wide 10-meter boxes with the ends cut out to allow for the garage door and front door. Instead of the tubular rails and fencing, I think that I will replicate the design under the second floor front windows to create a railing for the front and back railings. Here's where I'm at
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Post by Vermin King on Jul 13, 2019 5:27:50 GMT -9
Spent Way too much time trying to clean up the garage wall, only to realize I wanted something that would translate well to other buildings (not to mention the other side of this building). So last night I picked my most generic composite tile from my work and started working on a grid system that these each can be pasted into. Didn't finish, but looks much more promising And since I'm going to be using the pseudo-porch-railing design just above the garage door for the railings, I think I am going to add these to the side art as opposed to just having glue on boxes. After I get the garage sides and railings, I need to get back to the Snake Truck, post-apoc Avalanche, dune buggies, and '71 Chrysler
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Post by Vermin King on Jul 14, 2019 9:52:00 GMT -9
With the lessons learned from the container house, I spent some time widening window frames this afternoon. Other than adding the railings, the side is done. There will be minor changes to the other side. To do the railings to match the wainscote on the front, I need to design the front panel first, but to do it, I need to do the roof and work my way down... Still have to decide tab placement, too. Or get a nap
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Post by Vermin King on Jul 14, 2019 19:35:33 GMT -9
Shouldn't have tried to watch Metropolis and work on this at the same time. Didn't make much progress, and I'll have to watch the movie again. Actually, didn't watch the whole thing, since I wasn't concentrating enough on what was going on. From what I saw of it, I can see why it was carrying such good ratings. Re-worked a lot of stuff again, which I am much happier with. Still trying to figure out the best way to divide up the ends, but at least it is moving in the right direction.
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Post by Vermin King on Jul 15, 2019 6:31:07 GMT -9
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Post by Vermin King on Jul 15, 2019 17:22:51 GMT -9
A productive lunch and evening. One side and front are done. I will flip the side for the other side, with minor changes to window placement, and will lose the door. The back uses the panels from the front, except for the garage back wall. I doubt I can finish tonight, but maybe between tonight, lunch tomorrow and tomorrow night (off at 8), I might be just over 24 hours to a test build.
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Post by Vermin King on Jul 16, 2019 9:19:44 GMT -9
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