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Post by highlandpiper on Sept 5, 2011 2:18:41 GMT -9
Very Awesome
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Post by dcbradshaw on Sept 5, 2011 6:33:01 GMT -9
No furries, no anthropomorphic line, please!!! Okumarts. There is a clear difference between traditional anthropomorphic and "furry," a difference I imagine Dave Okum clearly understands. AnthroFurryAnthroFurryAnthroFurry(These links are SFW, by the way.... And the fact that I have to mention that says something about the distinction between the two.) I for one would love to see some Sakai-inspired sengoku-era warrior figures, but that's just me. (Serene Paw?) If you want a new line why not pulp/steampunk/weir war/neo victorian, all in one, line? This I could also get behind. |
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Post by okumarts on Sept 5, 2011 7:20:42 GMT -9
I hear ya on the difference between Anthro and Furry. A lot of people don't get it, but in the same breath they will tell you how much they loved Ducktales or TMNT.
The whole anthro thing is really just me thinking out loud, but if I had a staff and unlimited time and money, I'd probably want to do it just to do it, you know?
That said, I am settling into narrowing down and focusing on my lines. I still want to have a modern line and a Steampunk line seems like a good idea, but that's about it.
I have robots for Retrospace and First Nations for Whiplash Trigger and Geisha Assassins for Serene Fist to work on, not to mention tons of historical figures for Dark Age of Adventure.
Even at the rate I am going I know it's just going to take some time to get it all done. I'm fast, just not THAT fast.
Still, I'm loving drawing these elves.
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Post by hackbarth on Sept 5, 2011 9:21:12 GMT -9
I just want figures to use for Ironclaw/Jadeclaw, Usagi Yojimbo and Albedo Platinum Catayst RPGs. (and Star Trek, and D&D...)
If that is Furry or Anthro I don't care, let people debate in forums for that. (wait a moment...)
I loved the Tengu from Serene Fist 3! I dont know if they are Furry or Anthro, I just loved them!
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Post by old squirmydad on Sept 5, 2011 9:21:39 GMT -9
Like the Elves, was initially off put by the girl's funny feet, decided it looked okay as an individual choice.  If you do near-future Modern at some point I would suggest doing non-Western figures. There's lots of NATO troops available, both in paper and hard forms, not so many of the other guys. Thanks. |
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Post by kiladecus on Sept 5, 2011 9:26:00 GMT -9
Well I am sure if it took a year per expansion your following would still be there... because your work is worth the wait! We know that once your "real" life kicks in tomorrow, your focus will shift (as it should). I don't care what you come up with, it will sell... of that you can be sure of. You have proven yourself time and again, and I don't see anything in your work ever changing or reverting. I only see you honing your skills and we are the ones that will benefit for it. Keep up the good work. To paraphrase a certain movie... "If you DRAW it, they will BUY!" |
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Post by stevelortz on Sept 5, 2011 11:23:39 GMT -9
I just want figures to use for Ironclaw/Jadeclaw, Usagi Yojimbo and Albedo Platinum Catayst RPGs. (and Star Trek, and D&D...) If that is Furry or Anthro I don't care, let people debate in forums for that. (wait a moment...) I loved the Tengu from Serene Fist 3! I dont know if they are Furry or Anthro, I just loved them! I had the immense pleasure of participating in the sculpting of this line:  I did the Usagi at the top left, the Jei right beneath him, the fleeing peasant next to Jei, and the Mogura at the right end of the last full row. Of them all, the fleeing peasant was my favorite. The animation of Dave's figures reminds me very much of the animation of Stan Sakai's. Those things being said, an artist can only do so much, and I had to sculpt the fleeing peasant on speculation, so that the "powers that be" could hold it in their hands before deciding whether to include it in the line. There are a LOT of things I'd like to see Dave do, but I'll be happy with whatever he has the time and inclination to turn out! Thanks! Have fun! Steve |
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Post by Reivaj on Sept 5, 2011 15:24:03 GMT -9
WOOOOOWW Steve you are a Great artist!! Congratulations!! ;D, Are these minis lead, 28mm  |
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Post by hackbarth on Sept 5, 2011 17:06:31 GMT -9
That Jei... WOW!  |
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Post by pblade on Sept 5, 2011 22:14:19 GMT -9
Those are some great figures. I'm sorry I missed them when they released, since I've followed the long-eared ronin since before he left Fantagraphics.
Of course, I can't paint worth a lick, so even if I *had* them they wouldn't look nearly so nice.
- Pb
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Post by stevelortz on Sept 6, 2011 15:46:15 GMT -9
WOOOOOWW Steve you are a Great artist!! Congratulations!! ;D, Are these minis lead, 28mm I may have BEEN a great artist. I came down with diabetes in 2007, and I no longer have the acuity of vision, nor the steadiness of hand, nor the overall patience to produce this kind of work today. One of the reasons I wanted to post these pictures was to show that when I compare things I like about Dave's work with things I like about Stan Sakai's work, I ain't just blowin' smoke! I KNOW Dave is having a lot of fun making his figures, because, if you aren't having fun with them yourself, you can't make them fun for anybody else. Ral Partha turned out some things I liked, but there were some unhappy sculptors working there from time to time. Have fun! Steve |
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Post by pblade on Sept 6, 2011 19:44:12 GMT -9
I may have BEEN a great artist. I came down with diabetes in 2007, and I no longer have the acuity of vision, nor the steadiness of hand, nor the overall patience to produce this kind of work today. Steve I think you do yourself a disservice using the past tense. For some things, I think people always "are," as long as they live. 'Artist' is one of those things. - Pb |
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Post by revgunn on Sept 6, 2011 21:13:29 GMT -9
I understand your point but its real hard to be an artist if you can't see.
As a diabetic also, I understand. If I get my blood sugar low enough, I don't need glasses. If its high, I'm close to blind. Beethoven wrote music when he was deaf, but as a visual artist... it would be tough to draw or sculpt things if you dunno how they look.
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Post by okumarts on Sept 7, 2011 2:55:01 GMT -9
I'd love to get Stan Sakai's permission to do a real Usagi Yojimbo set. He's my friend on Facebook. I should ask.
If he says no I may just need to make a Hengeyokai set for Serene Fist.
Sorry to hear that your eyes and hands are not as sturdy as they once were Steve. Those minis are amazing!
Just an update on the Elf set. With school back in session this week I've been scrambling to find time to work on it, but last night I finished the art for the fronts (including the bonus material). I will be finishing the backs tonight and hopefully scanning everything. That means early next week at the latest for this set. I'm aiming for Sunday.
My friends and I had a blast with the free set figures on Monday. We had a no rules footrace between a bugbear, Hobgoblin, orc and a gnoll. The gnoll was the most aggressive and really gave the Hobgoblin a run for its money. The orc died and the Bugbear won the race. It was great using figures from the free set and I'm glad it's been downloaded over 400 times.
In Bugbear news, the figures are sketched and I'm getting ready to ink them next week. After that I'll be moving to other lines for the rest of the month. I've got a lot of ideas to complete.
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Post by highlandpiper on Sept 7, 2011 4:01:42 GMT -9
Very cool. I just finished the free set and Serene Fist 1. Looks like it is time to purchase another set.
On another note my copy of Manga Fantasy Madness arrived today!
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Post by okumarts on Sept 8, 2011 10:51:38 GMT -9
HP, love hearing about people using the drawing books. That was a fun book. The map was based on my old D&D campaign.
Elves are drawn and almost all scanned. The bonus page is out of control. It might have to be another set.
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Post by kiladecus on Sept 8, 2011 15:42:32 GMT -9
You, sir, are a marketing genius! You have more talk about your bonus figures than you do your Elves. I want to buy the set already because of the bonus figures... and I don't even know what they are! |
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Post by okumarts on Sept 8, 2011 16:52:17 GMT -9
Colouring is taking for-ever... It won't get done tonight as I had planned, but I thought I'd share my progress.  |
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Post by stevelortz on Sept 8, 2011 18:00:20 GMT -9
These elves are going to make an outstanding companion elf culture to Jim's High Elves!
Have fun!
Steve
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Post by emergencyoverride on Sept 8, 2011 20:07:56 GMT -9
Very nice! I like the redacted blurs in there also! Secret bonuses are good.
I have been wanting to improve my drawing ability for awhile now so I can actually contribute to the paper community in some way other than recolors and kitbashes. Those things are fine and I love doing them, but I want to be able to draw my own figures. When I say improve that is a huge understatement as my ability is abysmal. I can do stick figures okay, lol. Taking Highland Piper's lead I ordered your four books. I have to say, I like em. I am having a ton of fun just doodling and trying to get the basic shapes in order. I'm slightly ocd...who am I kidding, I'm really ocd and with drawing it has always been hard for me to start off with the basic shapes and then erase things as I go and flesh out the figure with bolder lines. I've got pages of shapes now and I'm trying to work on proportions and the spacing between parts(eyes, chin etc.) Its hard now, but I see it slowly getting better. Rome wasn't built in a day and hey, paper is cheap. ;D
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Post by highlandpiper on Sept 8, 2011 20:21:59 GMT -9
I like the redacted blurs in there also! Secret bonuses are good. Phew! I thought they were trying to escape from the digital world into our world!  Okay I've been watching too many cartoons with my kids. These elves look great! I can't wait to fill out my collection with them! |
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Post by Dryw the Harper on Sept 8, 2011 22:52:43 GMT -9
Waiting... to... buy... Elves... Waiting... to... buy... Elves... Waiting... to... buy... Elves... Dryw the Harper |
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Post by kiladecus on Sept 9, 2011 2:11:11 GMT -9
For what its worth, I saw that the female elf with her pointed toes made the cut (no pun intended) as is! Way to stick to your guns! |
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Post by Tommygun on Sept 9, 2011 3:52:47 GMT -9
So are the blurred ones minis that violate the forum guide lines? ;D
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Post by stevelortz on Sept 9, 2011 4:45:13 GMT -9
For what its worth, I saw that the female elf with her pointed toes made the cut (no pun intended) as is! Way to stick to your guns! I did a riff on the Molder and Scully characters from X-Files for Lance & Lasers' (now TriTac's) Bureau 13 line. I deliberately posed the female the same way Dave has posed this elf (elfess? elfette?), with the knees closer together than the feet, and the toes pointed in. I don't remember where I learned this, but it IS a distinctly feminine pose, and it has to be exaggerated to read in miniature. It seems odd to many people because it isn't a Macho Women with Guns or Charlie's Angels kind of pose. Have fun! Steve |
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Post by Parduz on Sept 9, 2011 6:40:13 GMT -9
Talking for myself, it did'nt seems odd to me as it is: some of my daughter classmates stand in that pose.... but them all are very quiet and timid girls. As i see it, a delicate elf princess, maybe in the "teen" age (whatever is it for elves) could be more appropriate than a deadly elven female warrior. This post is the most difficult challenge about english genders i've got in years  |
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Post by stevelortz on Sept 9, 2011 7:32:08 GMT -9
Talking for myself, it did'nt seems odd to me as it is: some of my daughter classmates stand in that pose.... but them all are very quiet and timid girls. As i see it, a delicate elf princess, maybe in the "teen" age (whatever is it for elves) could be more appropriate than a deadly elven female warrior. This post is the most difficult challenge about english genders i've got in years You write English better, Parduz, than any non-English language I can write! I like to go look at soldatini di carta websites, and sometimes I really wish I could read and write Italian, but I haven't gone to the effort to learn much. One of my former students came from Scandanavian ancestry. She was tall and willowy, very demur and always wearing a placid smile on her face. But she had grown up with two older, larger brothers, and she could beat the crap out of ANYBODY, always wearing the same placid smile as she did so! Those feminine looks can be deceptive. Have fun! Steve |
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Post by cowboyleland on Sept 9, 2011 7:37:05 GMT -9
Sorry for the off topic, but I have to know how it is that you have the opportunity to watch your students fight.
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Post by okumarts on Sept 9, 2011 10:28:46 GMT -9
Parduz, I really do appreciate feedback! It's nice to have another set of eyes out there helping out.
The foot pose was initially inspired by my weapons use (bo staff) while studying Karate. There is a close combat style that uses kind of awkward foot placement to use the power of the back in strikes and maintain an equal weight displacement when you are backed up to a wall or ledge/cliff. It was a real struggle to remember the kata, but the foot placement sort of stayed with me.
As it is, I like the sweetness and light pose mixed with the horrifying weapons. It's a good juxtaposition for me. I also tend to think of elves as fey creatures that are somewhat otherworldly and detached from reality in some way.
Either way your input is much appreciated and helpful. I'm aiming for a weekend release on this. I really am.
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Post by stevelortz on Sept 9, 2011 18:48:44 GMT -9
Sorry for the off topic, but I have to know how it is that you have the opportunity to watch your students fight. My brother and I taught at a small classical school. My brother was one of the founding teachers, and he organized a real fencing club. Some of the boys wanted to form a club to practice other forms of (mock) martial arts, so they formed what they called "The Foam Club". They used foam padded weapons made of least-hazardous materials, using rules very like the Society for Creative Anachronism's system. Each combat had to be exercised under the supervision of a marshal. The faculty called them the "Boys Whacking Each Other With Sticks Club." The club would meet for a few hours every week or so. A "Leeroy Jenkins Award" would be handed out at the end of each meeting. When my brother passed away of skin cancer, the Latin class decided to hold funeral games in honor of him. One of the games was a melee involving all the students in the class, about six boys and six girls. They used the Foam Club system to conduct the melee. The Latin Marm and I served as referees. The particular young lady I mentioned in my previous post was the last contestant standing, for very good reason. It was not a conventional school. Have fun! Steve |
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